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Honestly, people couldn't care less.

micromacrofoot 3y ago
youtube has radicalized jihadi terrorists and white supremacists, facebook has manipulated emotions and played a role facilitating genocide in myanmar, tiktok is controlled by a genocidal regime, instagram depresses teen girls… though this isn’t much new I suppose, how many times has nike been caught using child labor? how many waterways has nestle depleted, how many animals have been tortured for cosmetics… how many bison were slaughtered to spite the natives, how many whales for lamp oil… we seem to always find something or someone to exploit
avgcorrection 3y ago
Not caring less and feeling utterly powerless to change anything look identical at a distance of more than twelve feet.
lern_too_spel 3y ago
Or people care, but they don't care in the direction that GP wants. I want US spy agencies to spy on non-American living outside the US who have information that affects national security without being slowed down by too many procedures. I don't want them to spy on Americans, but the government actively works to prevent the agencies from doing this, so it's working as intended.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  "I want US spy agencies to spy on non-American living outside the US who have information that affects national security without being slowed down by too many procedures" Do you also want other national agencies to spy on US citizens without "being slowed down by too many procedures"? No? Well, if they did not do it before, because of "friendship", then they surely started doing it. Further increasing the amount of illegal hacking for everyone. I actually do believe, there should be some restraint with hacking each and everyone because of "national security", because that can applied to everything. There should be a real reason, a actual threat.
  - lern_too_spel 3y ago
    > Do you also want other national agencies to spy on US citizens without "being slowed down by too many procedures? They already do, and with less oversight. What makes you think the US not spying on them will change their behavior? > Further increasing the amount of illegal hacking for everyone. There is no law that prevents countries from spying on each other, so I don't know what you think is illegal here.
    - hutzlibu 3y ago
      China and russia might have had no restraint like you. Agencies in EU countries actually did. "There is no law that prevents countries from spying on each other, so I don't know what you think is illegal here. " Depending on your definition of "law", is there a law preventing agencies from going somewhere else and killing and stealing as they see fit? International law is kind of complicated, but the basic idea is to not interfere with each other to keep the peace. And activly hacking foreign computers is considered interfering. How would you consider the act, if a foreign agency would hack the Phone of Biden? Probably hostile? Well yes, that was how it was considered in germany, when it became known that the NSA did hack the phone of Merkel. The reason why we are still allies is merely, that russia and china are indeed worse. And that is the reason, why the US is still kind of "the leader of the free world". But keep on doing Guantanamo stuff, hack every friendly nation, say "fuck the EU" and other countries might decide one day, they might as well stick with china then. Some african and asian states made that decision already.
      - jruohonen 3y ago
        > How would you consider the act, if a foreign agency would hack the Phone of Biden? Well, mostly they do not seem to care that much. Politicians have probably the worst opsec of all people. Mrs. Merkel was a target, but so was President Macron recently: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210720-phones-of-macron-and-some-french-ministers-targeted-by-morocco-in-pegasus-affair-le-monde https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210720-phones-of-mac...

youtube has radicalized jihadi terrorists and white supremacists, facebook has manipulated emotions and played a role facilitating genocide in myanmar, tiktok is controlled by a genocidal regime, instagram depresses teen girls… though this isn’t much new I suppose, how many times has nike been caught using child labor? how many waterways has nestle depleted, how many animals have been tortured for cosmetics… how many bison were slaughtered to spite the natives, how many whales for lamp oil… we seem to always find something or someone to exploit

avgcorrection 3y ago

Not caring less and feeling utterly powerless to change anything look identical at a distance of more than twelve feet.

lern_too_spel 3y ago

Or people care, but they don't care in the direction that GP wants. I want US spy agencies to spy on non-American living outside the US who have information that affects national security without being slowed down by too many procedures. I don't want them to spy on Americans, but the government actively works to prevent the agencies from doing this, so it's working as intended.

hutzlibu 3y ago
"I want US spy agencies to spy on non-American living outside the US who have information that affects national security without being slowed down by too many procedures" Do you also want other national agencies to spy on US citizens without "being slowed down by too many procedures"? No? Well, if they did not do it before, because of "friendship", then they surely started doing it. Further increasing the amount of illegal hacking for everyone. I actually do believe, there should be some restraint with hacking each and everyone because of "national security", because that can applied to everything. There should be a real reason, a actual threat.
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  > Do you also want other national agencies to spy on US citizens without "being slowed down by too many procedures? They already do, and with less oversight. What makes you think the US not spying on them will change their behavior? > Further increasing the amount of illegal hacking for everyone. There is no law that prevents countries from spying on each other, so I don't know what you think is illegal here.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    China and russia might have had no restraint like you. Agencies in EU countries actually did. "There is no law that prevents countries from spying on each other, so I don't know what you think is illegal here. " Depending on your definition of "law", is there a law preventing agencies from going somewhere else and killing and stealing as they see fit? International law is kind of complicated, but the basic idea is to not interfere with each other to keep the peace. And activly hacking foreign computers is considered interfering. How would you consider the act, if a foreign agency would hack the Phone of Biden? Probably hostile? Well yes, that was how it was considered in germany, when it became known that the NSA did hack the phone of Merkel. The reason why we are still allies is merely, that russia and china are indeed worse. And that is the reason, why the US is still kind of "the leader of the free world". But keep on doing Guantanamo stuff, hack every friendly nation, say "fuck the EU" and other countries might decide one day, they might as well stick with china then. Some african and asian states made that decision already.
    - jruohonen 3y ago
      > How would you consider the act, if a foreign agency would hack the Phone of Biden? Well, mostly they do not seem to care that much. Politicians have probably the worst opsec of all people. Mrs. Merkel was a target, but so was President Macron recently: https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210720-phones-of-macron-and-some-french-ministers-targeted-by-morocco-in-pegasus-affair-le-monde https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20210720-phones-of-mac...