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>They just conquered 10% of Ukraine, so they might do that 10 more times. How? Meatgrind the rest of the country? That's going to cause immense losses among Ru

>They just conquered 10% of Ukraine, so they might do that 10 more times. How? Meatgrind the rest of the country? That's going to cause immense losses among Russian troops and sowing as much discord as possible in Russian civil society seems like a great strategy to prevent that. >They want a stable Russia They want a Russia that is economically advantageous to them. Too much Russian success will cause Europe to become even more reliant on the US and therefore antagonistic to China. China's and Russia's interests are not aligned. >They walked in, were surprised by unexpected resistance, walked out and resorted to taking back the parts of Ukraine that prefer to speak Russian. This is cope. Look at how much it took to take Bakhmut.

roenxi 3y ago
> This is cope. Look at how much it took to take Bakhmut. Look at the fact that they have taken Bakhmut. So maybe that is the limit of Russian ability or maybe if Ukraine can't stop them taking Bakhmut, there isn't a line where Ukraine can suddenly stop them. Ukraine just lost 10% of its territory in 1 year, 25% of their population and their most economically prosperous region s [0] are now at risk of becoming a war zone. I don't like the prognosis for Ukraine if the Russian foreign policy takes a firm "no, we don't think they can exist as an independent country". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_subdivisions_by_GRP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_subdivisions...
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > Look at the fact that they have taken Bakhmut. So maybe that is the limit of Russian ability or maybe if Ukraine can't stop them taking Bakhmut, there isn't a line where Ukraine can suddenly stop them. Bakhmut was taken by Wagner, who perform much better than the regular Russian armed forces at least in this conflict. And even then it still cost them 50k-100k causalities just for Bakhmut. Wagner have left Ukraine entirely now. It remains to be seen if Russia can hold Bakhmut if it gets attacked.

roenxi 3y ago

> This is cope. Look at how much it took to take Bakhmut. Look at the fact that they have taken Bakhmut. So maybe that is the limit of Russian ability or maybe if Ukraine can't stop them taking Bakhmut, there isn't a line where Ukraine can suddenly stop them. Ukraine just lost 10% of its territory in 1 year, 25% of their population and their most economically prosperous region s [0] are now at risk of becoming a war zone. I don't like the prognosis for Ukraine if the Russian foreign policy takes a firm "no, we don't think they can exist as an independent country". [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_subdivisions_by_GRP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_subdivisions...

_kbh_ 3y ago
> Look at the fact that they have taken Bakhmut. So maybe that is the limit of Russian ability or maybe if Ukraine can't stop them taking Bakhmut, there isn't a line where Ukraine can suddenly stop them. Bakhmut was taken by Wagner, who perform much better than the regular Russian armed forces at least in this conflict. And even then it still cost them 50k-100k causalities just for Bakhmut. Wagner have left Ukraine entirely now. It remains to be seen if Russia can hold Bakhmut if it gets attacked.