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Another 2020 CNN article: 'China to expand weather modification program to cover area larger than India' https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/asia/china-weather-modi

Another 2020 CNN article: 'China to expand weather modification program to cover area larger than India' https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/asia/china-weather-modification-cloud-seeding-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/asia/china-weather-modificati... It's not hard to understand why people are anxious about global 'weather modification' and annoyed when they are insulted and dismissed as cranks. This is another of those obscure areas of operations that need a lot more transparency, explanation and openness so we don't freak people out. 5G and chemtrails appear to be two areas that make people extremely anxious, whether legitimately or not.

zamadatix 3y ago
This reply could have been posted regardless of what the parent actually said, since you didn't respond to any of it. The chemtrails theory refers to many long lasting contrails being chemical agents actively and secretly dispersed, at massive scale over decades, for a variety of nefarious purposes. Cloud seeding refers to the currently rare and often publicised activity of coaxing out rain, using a very different set of chemicals. No amount of the latter developing makes the previous story any more true but people love to tie the two together as it makes for a story of validity in the form "see, people were attacking cloud seeding and it was real, what else is actually real!" when that never actually happened at scale.
cauch 3y ago
It is perfectly normal that people are anxious. I am myself anxious. But the problem, and what makes those people that the CNN article talk about despicable, is that those anxious people are attacking innocent scientists just because they choose to convince themselves that these scientists are the devil, based on nothing else than crazy logic and convenient extrapolation. Being anxious is nothing bad, and nobody is being blamed for being anxious. Being a toxic person that does counter-productive things and put innocent scientists in real danger with their bullying is not ok, and these persons merit to be treated fairly: they are adults, they have responsibility, their actions have consequences. Anxiety is one of the cause, but the fact that all anxious people are not bullying innocent scientists is the proof that there are other causes, including the fact that these people choose hatred instead of reason.
eesmith 3y ago
Those cloud seeding programs are expensive and require dedicated hardware. They are not installed on commercial passenger airlines. If they were, that would mean a huge number of aircraft maintenance workers and ground crew know about it, and are keeping it secret from the public - a conspiracy. Where are the chemicals stored at the airport? Are the fire/safety teams also in on the conspiracy? If not on commercial passenger airlines, then which ones? Are there fleets of planes which are not on publicly available flight trackers? Or are a lot of those flights lying about their cargo and mission? If so, that's a conspiracy. Those weather modification programs are not done in clear skies. The video you linked to earlier makes that very explicit. All cloud seeding does it change the timing of where rain falls. It doesn't work without a lot of water already in the air. For rains to not fall, when it would have without active intervention, means the water had to be forced out before reaching Spain - doing it over Spain would be worthless. So pictures of clear-sky "chemtrails" over Spain can't be weather modification keeping rain out of Spain. Where are these flights based? Where do they travel? What conspiracy keeps us from knowing this about Europe, when we know about China's efforts? That's why these are called 'conspiracy theories'. They require a large number of people to conspire to keep something secret, and have at best only weak circumstantial evidence to support it. ("People can modify the weather, so the droughts in Spain must be caused by people modifying the weather" needs a few more underpants gnomes worked out.) Thing is, we know that contrails modify the climate, without a doubt. 9/11's flight shutdown made that analysis possible. "9/11 study: Air traffic affects climate" at https://edition.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/08/07/contrails.climate/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/08/07/contrails.cl... or https://www.nature.com/articles/418601a https://www.nature.com/articles/418601a if you want the publication. It helped reduce the daily range in daytime highs and nighttime lows. Which makes continued flights a form of weather modification right there, just like dumping massive amounts of CO2 in the air is another form of global weather modification. But notice that those are both side-effects of a much more profitable business. Who benefits in keeping the rain out of Spain, and how do they keep those activities hidden so well? Oh, right - a global conspiracy. What is the right solution if people are extremely anxious for strongly illegitimate reasons?

zamadatix 3y ago

This reply could have been posted regardless of what the parent actually said, since you didn't respond to any of it. The chemtrails theory refers to many long lasting contrails being chemical agents actively and secretly dispersed, at massive scale over decades, for a variety of nefarious purposes. Cloud seeding refers to the currently rare and often publicised activity of coaxing out rain, using a very different set of chemicals. No amount of the latter developing makes the previous story any more true but people love to tie the two together as it makes for a story of validity in the form "see, people were attacking cloud seeding and it was real, what else is actually real!" when that never actually happened at scale.

cauch 3y ago

It is perfectly normal that people are anxious. I am myself anxious. But the problem, and what makes those people that the CNN article talk about despicable, is that those anxious people are attacking innocent scientists just because they choose to convince themselves that these scientists are the devil, based on nothing else than crazy logic and convenient extrapolation. Being anxious is nothing bad, and nobody is being blamed for being anxious. Being a toxic person that does counter-productive things and put innocent scientists in real danger with their bullying is not ok, and these persons merit to be treated fairly: they are adults, they have responsibility, their actions have consequences. Anxiety is one of the cause, but the fact that all anxious people are not bullying innocent scientists is the proof that there are other causes, including the fact that these people choose hatred instead of reason.

eesmith 3y ago

Those cloud seeding programs are expensive and require dedicated hardware. They are not installed on commercial passenger airlines. If they were, that would mean a huge number of aircraft maintenance workers and ground crew know about it, and are keeping it secret from the public - a conspiracy. Where are the chemicals stored at the airport? Are the fire/safety teams also in on the conspiracy? If not on commercial passenger airlines, then which ones? Are there fleets of planes which are not on publicly available flight trackers? Or are a lot of those flights lying about their cargo and mission? If so, that's a conspiracy. Those weather modification programs are not done in clear skies. The video you linked to earlier makes that very explicit. All cloud seeding does it change the timing of where rain falls. It doesn't work without a lot of water already in the air. For rains to not fall, when it would have without active intervention, means the water had to be forced out before reaching Spain - doing it over Spain would be worthless. So pictures of clear-sky "chemtrails" over Spain can't be weather modification keeping rain out of Spain. Where are these flights based? Where do they travel? What conspiracy keeps us from knowing this about Europe, when we know about China's efforts? That's why these are called 'conspiracy theories'. They require a large number of people to conspire to keep something secret, and have at best only weak circumstantial evidence to support it. ("People can modify the weather, so the droughts in Spain must be caused by people modifying the weather" needs a few more underpants gnomes worked out.) Thing is, we know that contrails modify the climate, without a doubt. 9/11's flight shutdown made that analysis possible. "9/11 study: Air traffic affects climate" at https://edition.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/08/07/contrails.climate/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2002/TECH/science/08/07/contrails.cl... or https://www.nature.com/articles/418601a https://www.nature.com/articles/418601a if you want the publication. It helped reduce the daily range in daytime highs and nighttime lows. Which makes continued flights a form of weather modification right there, just like dumping massive amounts of CO2 in the air is another form of global weather modification. But notice that those are both side-effects of a much more profitable business. Who benefits in keeping the rain out of Spain, and how do they keep those activities hidden so well? Oh, right - a global conspiracy. What is the right solution if people are extremely anxious for strongly illegitimate reasons?