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A similar technology (bed of amines that absorbs CO2 from ambient air) is being tested on the International Space Station, so it's worth reviewing how this stuf
by idlewords 3y ago
A similar technology (bed of amines that absorbs CO2 from ambient air) is being tested on the International Space Station, so it's worth reviewing how this stuff breaks:
1. Pipes and bearings clog up or corrode.
2. Trace contaminants irreversibly react with the sorbent material.
3. Stuff in the beds shifts around in unexpected ways, aided by the heat cycling.
4. The problem gets harder the more dilute the gas is. The older zeolite beds on ISS struggle to keep CO2 levels below 5000 ppm, vs. 400 ppm ambient on Earth. Submarines (which use amine sorbents) have the same problem getting below 5000 ppm.
I have no idea how Climeworks addresses these challenges, but they are kind of unavoidable when you're trying to remove a trace gas with a reversible process in thermodynamically unfavorable conditions. They will have to move vast quantities of air, and everything that is in it, through the system, and heat and cool the components thousands of times. I'm sure the problems are surmountable, but are they surmountable in a way that keeps total carbon used in the process (including manufacturing and repair) negative?
- aftbit 3y agoWow I didn't realize that submarines and the ISS had such a high level of CO2. I feel noticeably worse when CO2 is above 2000ppm in my house. I've always wanted to have an artificial CO2 scrubber for when the windows are closed, but energetically I would probably be better off opening the windows and heating or cooling the air to compensate. Do submariners and astronauts have impacts to their cognitive abilities from this elevated rate?
- idlewords 3y agoWhether there are cognitive effects is not clear, but it definitely affects their mood and their sleep. It's a touchy subject since astronauts don't like to publicly complain. Scott Kelly talks about it pretty openly in his book; reading between the lines of tech papers on next-generation life support you get the impression that crews insist levels need to get below 2000 ppm for long-duration missions.