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And yet the people who work 50% harder to eek out 1% quality don't get promoted, and the people who do nothing but game the system for promotions get promoted.

And yet the people who work 50% harder to eek out 1% quality don't get promoted, and the people who do nothing but game the system for promotions get promoted. So, I'd say the opposite is true.

viscanti 3y ago
Are the people gaming the system being rewarded for innate talent? Or is it hard work at gaming the system (presumably if it was easy to game the system everyone would do it)?
- francisofascii 3y ago
  Hmmm I would argue you have to have a certain personality type to game the system. So that falls more into innate talent.
- lloeki 3y ago
  value systems come into play and many a mind revile at the idea of gaming the system, however easy it would be for them.
- User23 3y ago
  I think physical attractiveness, both male and female, plays a far larger role in promotion decisions than anyone realizes, including those making the decision. The halo effect is very real. This leads to a case where you have persons who are, in some sense, gaming the system and might not even know that they are.
cardy31 3y ago
Yeah and even getting into FAANG is often about gaming the interview system anyway. I don’t think FAANG really manages to select the top 1% of hard workers.
- wtetzner 3y ago
  How do you game the interview system? Practice leetcode problems a lot? Sounds like a lot of work.
  - dasil003 3y ago
    Yes, and interviewing in general. You think that’s a lot of work to get your foot in the door and $500k+ in a relatively cushy salaried position and top tech brand name on your resume?
    - wtetzner 3y ago
      You also need to do multiple system design interviews. Yes, you might be able to game it, but I doubt you could game it and still be an incompetent programmer. You also wouldn't be able to keep that job very long, given the way performance reviews tend to be done. They probably don't have the top 1% of hard workers, but getting and staying there almost certainly requires a certain amount of hard work.

And yet the people who work 50% harder to eek out 1% quality don't get promoted, and the people who do nothing but game the system for promotions get promoted. So, I'd say the opposite is true.

viscanti 3y ago

Are the people gaming the system being rewarded for innate talent? Or is it hard work at gaming the system (presumably if it was easy to game the system everyone would do it)?

francisofascii 3y ago
Hmmm I would argue you have to have a certain personality type to game the system. So that falls more into innate talent.
lloeki 3y ago
value systems come into play and many a mind revile at the idea of gaming the system, however easy it would be for them.
User23 3y ago
I think physical attractiveness, both male and female, plays a far larger role in promotion decisions than anyone realizes, including those making the decision. The halo effect is very real. This leads to a case where you have persons who are, in some sense, gaming the system and might not even know that they are.

cardy31 3y ago

Yeah and even getting into FAANG is often about gaming the interview system anyway. I don’t think FAANG really manages to select the top 1% of hard workers.

wtetzner 3y ago
How do you game the interview system? Practice leetcode problems a lot? Sounds like a lot of work.
- dasil003 3y ago
  Yes, and interviewing in general. You think that’s a lot of work to get your foot in the door and $500k+ in a relatively cushy salaried position and top tech brand name on your resume?
  - wtetzner 3y ago
    You also need to do multiple system design interviews. Yes, you might be able to game it, but I doubt you could game it and still be an incompetent programmer. You also wouldn't be able to keep that job very long, given the way performance reviews tend to be done. They probably don't have the top 1% of hard workers, but getting and staying there almost certainly requires a certain amount of hard work.