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Having been a teaching assistant for intro programming classes targeted at non-CS majors, I disagree. You don't need to understand what a 'stack' or 'heap' is t

by samdk 15y ago

Having been a teaching assistant for intro programming classes targeted at non-CS majors, I disagree. You don't need to understand what a 'stack' or 'heap' is to understand what's going on and for this to be useful. And even if it's too complicated to be useful for people on their own, being able to use something like this as a teaching aid would be very helpful. The number of people who have trouble grasping even what most of us consider very basic concepts like iteration over a list is astonishing. Trying to explain something you find trivially easy to someone who doesn't understand it at all is an exercise in frustration for both people. I usually resorted to doing a manual step-through on a whiteboard or piece of paper, but this is much nicer. I would discourage people from using this constantly, just because I think having a step-through debugger handy constantly will prevent you from developing necessary debugging skills. (The concept of wrapping something in print statements is another thing I take for granted that's not obvious to some people.) But I still don't see how something like this could be anything but a net positive.

ht_th 15y ago
> But I still don't see how something like this could be anything but a net positive. The student will construct their own knowledge of programming by some learning process. This tool has an effect on that process, as has every tool. It could, for example, let some students construct an understanding of a variable that makes it harder to start learning about, say, memoization in dynamic programming. (This is just an conjectured example, mind) I don't say it will, and I do have to say that the visualization given is quite nice and sound. But because we, as experienced programmers, like a tool because it visualizes how we think about programming and program execution, that does not mean that this is transferable in a similar way to novice programmers. As a high school computer science teacher I have been growing more and more worried about so called anti-didactic inversion in programming education. Especially at lower levels of education. In programming education, we often use professional programming tools with professional programming languages and professional measures of programming quality. When students are learning to become professional programmers, this is a good idea. But is it as good an idea for teaching programming to those who do not want to become professional programmers. Or for those who are learning programming as a basic skill (like math, language, etc)?

by samdk 15y ago

ht_th 15y ago

> But I still don't see how something like this could be anything but a net positive. The student will construct their own knowledge of programming by some learning process. This tool has an effect on that process, as has every tool. It could, for example, let some students construct an understanding of a variable that makes it harder to start learning about, say, memoization in dynamic programming. (This is just an conjectured example, mind) I don't say it will, and I do have to say that the visualization given is quite nice and sound. But because we, as experienced programmers, like a tool because it visualizes how we think about programming and program execution, that does not mean that this is transferable in a similar way to novice programmers. As a high school computer science teacher I have been growing more and more worried about so called anti-didactic inversion in programming education. Especially at lower levels of education. In programming education, we often use professional programming tools with professional programming languages and professional measures of programming quality. When students are learning to become professional programmers, this is a good idea. But is it as good an idea for teaching programming to those who do not want to become professional programmers. Or for those who are learning programming as a basic skill (like math, language, etc)?