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US is also far better if you are middle class and want to accomplish things. It’s not a coincidence that pretty much all the successful ambitious startups are i

US is also far better if you are middle class and want to accomplish things. It’s not a coincidence that pretty much all the successful ambitious startups are in the US, and not in Europe.

boeingUH60 3y ago
I admit that, but that doesn’t matter to the 99% of people who will never start a company.
- bjornsing 3y ago
  Not in the near term. But in the long term it does: as you can see in the OP historical economic growth is essentially the variable that explains current standard of living.
  - bjornsing 3y ago
    And it also makes work uninteresting and dull for another few percent, who can no-longer choose to work for an ambitious startup.
- BlargMcLarg 3y ago
  It's not just entrepreneurship. European countries are notorious for safeguarding people against mistakes at the cost of everything else. Safeguarding not just meaning 'you can't fall deep into poverty', but also 'we will give you the means to stay at your current level'. That's how you end up with young people earning median household income unable to get a semi-decent apartment while Joe with a family of 4 making the same amount could never afford his current home, but passed the checkpoint before the bar got raised too high. Great if you're established or the economy is flourishing where you want it. Not so great if important sectors are dwindling and you have yet to establish yourself.
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rejectfinite 3y ago
I keep seeing this. I don't get it. You are Swedish too, right? One, why do you think startups are so good to the avarage person? Two, Spotify, Ericsson, SAAB, Skype, Thepiratebay, our military in general (we are country of 10mil and we build 3 jet plane models, our subs, and cruisers are renowned) and ofc IKEA. :)) They were all startup mentality once. Plus how many people really start their own companies. More importantly, WHEN they fail, and they WILL, how will you survive in the usa without massive private savings as there is no safteynet?
ghusto 3y ago
> US is also far better if you are middle class and want to accomplish things I worked my way up to (maybe upper-)middle class and wanted to accomplish things. Not only would this not have been possible in the U.S.A, what I wanted to accomplish wouldn't even have been termed an accomplishment there (it was happiness and contentment). > It’s not a coincidence that pretty much all the successful ambitious startups are in the US, and not in Europe It certainly isn't, but that likely means something else to me than you. So far, those "successful ambitious startups" have messed up quality of life, and maybe even global politics. It's not a co-incidence that that I see "FUCK OFF GOOGLE" stickers everywhere I walk here. We have different goals in Europe.

US is also far better if you are middle class and want to accomplish things. It’s not a coincidence that pretty much all the successful ambitious startups are in the US, and not in Europe.

boeingUH60 3y ago

I admit that, but that doesn’t matter to the 99% of people who will never start a company.

bjornsing 3y ago
Not in the near term. But in the long term it does: as you can see in the OP historical economic growth is essentially the variable that explains current standard of living.
- bjornsing 3y ago
  And it also makes work uninteresting and dull for another few percent, who can no-longer choose to work for an ambitious startup.
BlargMcLarg 3y ago
It's not just entrepreneurship. European countries are notorious for safeguarding people against mistakes at the cost of everything else. Safeguarding not just meaning 'you can't fall deep into poverty', but also 'we will give you the means to stay at your current level'. That's how you end up with young people earning median household income unable to get a semi-decent apartment while Joe with a family of 4 making the same amount could never afford his current home, but passed the checkpoint before the bar got raised too high. Great if you're established or the economy is flourishing where you want it. Not so great if important sectors are dwindling and you have yet to establish yourself.
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rejectfinite 3y ago

I keep seeing this. I don't get it. You are Swedish too, right? One, why do you think startups are so good to the avarage person? Two, Spotify, Ericsson, SAAB, Skype, Thepiratebay, our military in general (we are country of 10mil and we build 3 jet plane models, our subs, and cruisers are renowned) and ofc IKEA. :)) They were all startup mentality once. Plus how many people really start their own companies. More importantly, WHEN they fail, and they WILL, how will you survive in the usa without massive private savings as there is no safteynet?

ghusto 3y ago

> US is also far better if you are middle class and want to accomplish things I worked my way up to (maybe upper-)middle class and wanted to accomplish things. Not only would this not have been possible in the U.S.A, what I wanted to accomplish wouldn't even have been termed an accomplishment there (it was happiness and contentment). > It’s not a coincidence that pretty much all the successful ambitious startups are in the US, and not in Europe It certainly isn't, but that likely means something else to me than you. So far, those "successful ambitious startups" have messed up quality of life, and maybe even global politics. It's not a co-incidence that that I see "FUCK OFF GOOGLE" stickers everywhere I walk here. We have different goals in Europe.