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It also means our conversation is recorded by openai, doesn’t it?

by zakki 3y ago

replygirl 3y ago
how do you think the sidebar works?
novax81 3y ago
As a web developer, I'll be perfectly honest in expressing shock that anyone would assume it wasn't being recorded. Even in far less important spaces, basically every click and keystroke is sent to some analytics service, and if you block it on the client, there's generally a server-side gatherer to pass on what it can. If you ever submit anything to any modern website, it is a somewhat safe assumption that it is recorded somewhere. This applies a little less if you're in a country affected by GDPR, but even then - request that data some time, it's so much more than some people realize.
GaggiX 3y ago
This post reminds me of when I encountered people that were surprised to learn that the owner of a Telegram bot can read all messages sent to the bot.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  Not really, the chats could be stored locally in session data.
  - pavo-etc 3y ago
    If you use multiple devices they persist across all of them
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Obviously but I’m saying a trade off could be made?
  - joshspankit 3y ago
    I’m confused. The AI does not process input in-browser.
  - Terretta 3y ago
    You're incongruously confused about this for your username.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      Everyone misunderstood me, I couldn't be bothered fixing it. It's fun to hallucinate anyway.
- londons_explore 3y ago
  Part of being an engineer is making products that act the way the users want them to act. The fact that a Telegram bot owner can see everything the bot does is not what most users want/expect, and is therefore an engineering deficiency. Obviously fixing this deficiency isn't easy...
  - joshspankit 3y ago
    If users want something functionally impossible then that’s an education thing not a product thing. I fully expect that when I send text to a service that the provider can read all of it. Like of course they can, they have to process it.
    - londons_explore 3y ago
      A privacy protecting telegram bot isn't impossible. The code of the bot could be run locally on the users phone to generate the responses. Or telegram themselves could run a "bot server", where bot owners could upload code to, but not inspect logs of messages going to/from each user.
      - pixl97 3y ago
        >where bot owners could upload code to, but not inspect logs of messages going to/from each user. "Because, trust us" Honestly the moment a packet leaves your device privacy is gone.
      - amstan 3y ago
        > code of the bot could be run locally How is that closer to a "telegram bot" and not just a "phone app"?
  - Charidan 3y ago
    Yeah, PEBKAC bugs are the hardest to fix.
visarga 3y ago
> It also means our conversation is recorded by openai, doesn’t it? That was already happening anyway. But it means something else too - shared prompts will be scrapeable for open source - shared prompts will have many continuations and social feedback around them - valuable for training? who knows
jjdeveloper 3y ago
It saves all previous messages in an array of messages so it ‘remembers’ the conversation from the beginning. So when you post your message you’re also posting the complete message history. So it’s kind of not recording in the sense that it will give your conversation content to other users.
esalman 3y ago
It is. The company I work for apparently have purchased a version of GPT4 that does not send data back to OpenAI. The conversation is still recorded by the folks who are maintaining it though.
- firloop 3y ago
  Is this the Azure deployment of GPT-4 or something else?
  - esalman 3y ago
    Yes, so far as I know.
- a_bonobo 3y ago
  >Data submitted through the OpenAI API is not used to train OpenAI models or improve OpenAI’s service offering. Data submitted through non-API consumer services ChatGPT or DALL·E may be used to improve our models. https://openai.com/security https://openai.com/security It's not a special version of OpenAI, it's the default behaviour when you pay for the API
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    If you trust them.
    - swexbe 3y ago
      Just like you have to trust AWS/Azure and any SAAS service in existence.
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        I don't.
        Turing_Machine 3y ago
maxbaines 3y ago
Chat history can be disabled in the settings menu, temporarily or permanently at least for Plus users, not sure about free users…
- esperent 3y ago
  You have two options in the settings menu: 1. Share all your chat data with OpenAI 2. Disable saved chats entirely. You want to have saved chats but don't agree with OpenAI also having access to them? Not possible.
  - Garcia98 3y ago
    You can also submit this Google Forms buried three links deep in their privacy policy: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrnC-_A7JFs4LbIuzevQ_78hVERlNqqCPCt3d8XqnKOfdRdQ/viewform https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrnC-_A7JFs4LbIuze...
  - Veen 3y ago
    I use ChatBot-UI to achieve something like 1 and 2 together. It runs locally and uses the OpenAI API to provide a ChatGPT-like experience, but the chat history is saved locally in the browser. It also has a useful prompt management sidebar. Of course, OpenAI saves the data regardless, but they say they don't use API requests for training data and they claim it's deleted after 30 days. https://github.com/mckaywrigley/chatbot-ui https://github.com/mckaywrigley/chatbot-ui https://openai.com/policies/api-data-usage-policies https://openai.com/policies/api-data-usage-policies
    - esperent 3y ago
      I've been waiting for GPT-4 API access for several weeks now. As soon as I get it I'll try something like this but who knows how long that will be.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  It disables it for you. But I would not bet on it also disabling it for OpenAI and even if it does today there is no guarantee it will be like that tomorrow.
jacquesm 3y ago
If you thought it wasn't that would be hopelessly naive. Of course they record it. They will also read it, analyze it and do whatever they want with your conversations.
electrondood 3y ago
Your conversation history in a thread is the entire prompt for each new question you ask. When you log in, you can see all of your prior conversations. So, yes.

It also means our conversation is recorded by openai, doesn’t it?

by zakki 3y ago

It also means our conversation is recorded by openai, doesn’t it?

replygirl 3y ago

how do you think the sidebar works?

novax81 3y ago

As a web developer, I'll be perfectly honest in expressing shock that anyone would assume it wasn't being recorded. Even in far less important spaces, basically every click and keystroke is sent to some analytics service, and if you block it on the client, there's generally a server-side gatherer to pass on what it can. If you ever submit anything to any modern website, it is a somewhat safe assumption that it is recorded somewhere. This applies a little less if you're in a country affected by GDPR, but even then - request that data some time, it's so much more than some people realize.

GaggiX 3y ago

This post reminds me of when I encountered people that were surprised to learn that the owner of a Telegram bot can read all messages sent to the bot.

ChatGTP 3y ago
Not really, the chats could be stored locally in session data.
- pavo-etc 3y ago
  If you use multiple devices they persist across all of them
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Obviously but I’m saying a trade off could be made?
- joshspankit 3y ago
  I’m confused. The AI does not process input in-browser.
- Terretta 3y ago
  You're incongruously confused about this for your username.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    Everyone misunderstood me, I couldn't be bothered fixing it. It's fun to hallucinate anyway.
londons_explore 3y ago
Part of being an engineer is making products that act the way the users want them to act. The fact that a Telegram bot owner can see everything the bot does is not what most users want/expect, and is therefore an engineering deficiency. Obviously fixing this deficiency isn't easy...
- joshspankit 3y ago
  If users want something functionally impossible then that’s an education thing not a product thing. I fully expect that when I send text to a service that the provider can read all of it. Like of course they can, they have to process it.
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    A privacy protecting telegram bot isn't impossible. The code of the bot could be run locally on the users phone to generate the responses. Or telegram themselves could run a "bot server", where bot owners could upload code to, but not inspect logs of messages going to/from each user.
    - pixl97 3y ago
      >where bot owners could upload code to, but not inspect logs of messages going to/from each user. "Because, trust us" Honestly the moment a packet leaves your device privacy is gone.
    - amstan 3y ago
      > code of the bot could be run locally How is that closer to a "telegram bot" and not just a "phone app"?
- Charidan 3y ago
  Yeah, PEBKAC bugs are the hardest to fix.

visarga 3y ago

> It also means our conversation is recorded by openai, doesn’t it? That was already happening anyway. But it means something else too - shared prompts will be scrapeable for open source - shared prompts will have many continuations and social feedback around them - valuable for training? who knows

jjdeveloper 3y ago

It saves all previous messages in an array of messages so it ‘remembers’ the conversation from the beginning. So when you post your message you’re also posting the complete message history. So it’s kind of not recording in the sense that it will give your conversation content to other users.

esalman 3y ago

It is. The company I work for apparently have purchased a version of GPT4 that does not send data back to OpenAI. The conversation is still recorded by the folks who are maintaining it though.

firloop 3y ago
Is this the Azure deployment of GPT-4 or something else?
- esalman 3y ago
  Yes, so far as I know.
a_bonobo 3y ago
>Data submitted through the OpenAI API is not used to train OpenAI models or improve OpenAI’s service offering. Data submitted through non-API consumer services ChatGPT or DALL·E may be used to improve our models. https://openai.com/security https://openai.com/security It's not a special version of OpenAI, it's the default behaviour when you pay for the API
- jacquesm 3y ago
  If you trust them.
  - swexbe 3y ago
    Just like you have to trust AWS/Azure and any SAAS service in existence.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      I don't.
      - Turing_Machine 3y ago

maxbaines 3y ago

Chat history can be disabled in the settings menu, temporarily or permanently at least for Plus users, not sure about free users…

esperent 3y ago
You have two options in the settings menu: 1. Share all your chat data with OpenAI 2. Disable saved chats entirely. You want to have saved chats but don't agree with OpenAI also having access to them? Not possible.
- Garcia98 3y ago
  You can also submit this Google Forms buried three links deep in their privacy policy: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrnC-_A7JFs4LbIuzevQ_78hVERlNqqCPCt3d8XqnKOfdRdQ/viewform https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrnC-_A7JFs4LbIuze...
- Veen 3y ago
  I use ChatBot-UI to achieve something like 1 and 2 together. It runs locally and uses the OpenAI API to provide a ChatGPT-like experience, but the chat history is saved locally in the browser. It also has a useful prompt management sidebar. Of course, OpenAI saves the data regardless, but they say they don't use API requests for training data and they claim it's deleted after 30 days. https://github.com/mckaywrigley/chatbot-ui https://github.com/mckaywrigley/chatbot-ui https://openai.com/policies/api-data-usage-policies https://openai.com/policies/api-data-usage-policies
  - esperent 3y ago
    I've been waiting for GPT-4 API access for several weeks now. As soon as I get it I'll try something like this but who knows how long that will be.
jacquesm 3y ago
It disables it for you. But I would not bet on it also disabling it for OpenAI and even if it does today there is no guarantee it will be like that tomorrow.

jacquesm 3y ago

If you thought it wasn't that would be hopelessly naive. Of course they record it. They will also read it, analyze it and do whatever they want with your conversations.

electrondood 3y ago

Your conversation history in a thread is the entire prompt for each new question you ask. When you log in, you can see all of your prior conversations. So, yes.