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Couple that with the fact that it’s nearly impossible to fire people from these jobs, regardless of their competency. Some of the absolute laziest and rude peo

Couple that with the fact that it’s nearly impossible to fire people from these jobs, regardless of their competency. Some of the absolute laziest and rude people I’ve ever interacted with are CA government employees who deal with the public.

monero-xmr 3y ago
How many fucks would you give if it was effectively impossible to get fired? It isn’t exactly surprising. When I worked at McDonald’s decades ago I would have greatly enjoyed telling numerous people to go fuck themselves, but I’m a consummate professional and needed the cash. Now isn’t it crazy that government employees, who ostensibly serve us the tax payers, treat their fellow citizens like shit? A travesty all around but it makes sense when you analyze the incentives.
- Spooky23 3y ago
  I worked for government for a long time. It’s no different managing government employees, it’s about leadership. Most people just want to do their job and go home. You probably had a decent manager at McDonald’s — many of them frankly suck. In city government, frequently the professional managers are on a leash. Some councilman, friend of the mayor, etc has the juice to take care of their friends or countrymen. In citizen facing situations you can usually see this when everyone in the office looks or sounds the same - those are likely not civil service employees, but patronage jobs serving at someone’s pleasure. I’ve worked in and around many big companies too — plenty of incompetence to go around there, even in sales orgs where getting fired happens routinely.
  - monero-xmr 3y ago
    I have come to appreciate that in the private sector, eventually, you will get fired. I recognize the nepotism and nonsense is rampant in the private sector. However there is the market test. In government it can be neverending.
    - jasonwatkinspdx 3y ago
      There absolutely people who just keep messing up in the private sector until they reach retirement, never suffering consequences. You just have to be executive level. This dichotomy you're making between the free market and government is cartoonish and not particularly useful.
      - pfannkuchen 3y ago
        The performance of executives may be more influenced by factors outside of their control than the performance of e.g. IC engineers, though. I wonder if that plays into the perceptive of many executives being incompetent, and how much context is considered when hiring an executive.
        rightbyte 3y ago
        An engineer is influenced by the same factors and the executives themself. Fired diagonally upwards is a real thing.
    - Spooky23 3y ago
      Maybe. I think there’s more egregious bullshit in public sector for sure, in large corporations useless people, they just have to not work a little smarter.

monero-xmr 3y ago

How many fucks would you give if it was effectively impossible to get fired? It isn’t exactly surprising. When I worked at McDonald’s decades ago I would have greatly enjoyed telling numerous people to go fuck themselves, but I’m a consummate professional and needed the cash. Now isn’t it crazy that government employees, who ostensibly serve us the tax payers, treat their fellow citizens like shit? A travesty all around but it makes sense when you analyze the incentives.

Spooky23 3y ago
I worked for government for a long time. It’s no different managing government employees, it’s about leadership. Most people just want to do their job and go home. You probably had a decent manager at McDonald’s — many of them frankly suck. In city government, frequently the professional managers are on a leash. Some councilman, friend of the mayor, etc has the juice to take care of their friends or countrymen. In citizen facing situations you can usually see this when everyone in the office looks or sounds the same - those are likely not civil service employees, but patronage jobs serving at someone’s pleasure. I’ve worked in and around many big companies too — plenty of incompetence to go around there, even in sales orgs where getting fired happens routinely.
- monero-xmr 3y ago
  I have come to appreciate that in the private sector, eventually, you will get fired. I recognize the nepotism and nonsense is rampant in the private sector. However there is the market test. In government it can be neverending.
  - jasonwatkinspdx 3y ago
    There absolutely people who just keep messing up in the private sector until they reach retirement, never suffering consequences. You just have to be executive level. This dichotomy you're making between the free market and government is cartoonish and not particularly useful.
    - pfannkuchen 3y ago
      The performance of executives may be more influenced by factors outside of their control than the performance of e.g. IC engineers, though. I wonder if that plays into the perceptive of many executives being incompetent, and how much context is considered when hiring an executive.
      - rightbyte 3y ago
        An engineer is influenced by the same factors and the executives themself. Fired diagonally upwards is a real thing.
  - Spooky23 3y ago
    Maybe. I think there’s more egregious bullshit in public sector for sure, in large corporations useless people, they just have to not work a little smarter.