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Hugging Face is a niche business at best, and OpenAI is pure hype, no real substance. I know you'll find someone saying (maybe even in this thread) "I use ChatG

by dvt 3y ago

Hugging Face is a niche business at best, and OpenAI is pure hype, no real substance. I know you'll find someone saying (maybe even in this thread) "I use ChatGPT daily to make my job 10x easier" but these anecdotes are dubious at best. Imo, the real winners here will be Nvidia and Apple, which provide software/hardware coupling for these AI features. And most of these are features, not products. Midjourney is a rare example of a real product, but the quality of generative art if you don't include copyrighted art in the training set is pretty bad, so there's a lot of complications there.

mianos 3y ago
OoenAI may be hype but if they got 100M people paying $20 a month for the occasional use of their premium models I would call that a valid business. It does not matter that vicuna or whatever are nearly as good if people are paying for their model and ecosystem.
- sv123 3y ago
  That's 100M monthly active users, not paying subscribers.
  - mianos 3y ago
    Yes, that is why I say 'if they had'. No way they have that many now but amoungst my associates many are still just starting to purchase the payed subscriptions.
    - usaar333 3y ago
      Agreed, but with Bing powered by GPT 4, there isn't that much advantage.
      - DJHenk 3y ago
        One advantage that I hope a paid version of GPT4 has (like ChatGPT Premium) over a free one (like Bing), is that it is a matter of time before the Bing answers will be polluted by whatever an advertiser is willing to spend its money on. Whereas with ChatGPT I am the paying customer. I say "I hope", because time and time again it was shown that companies happily take money from both sides and skew the product to the wishes of the one that pays most, i.e. not me. And since the results of AI are way less transparent than the appearance of an ad, the user will be screwed. If anything, GTP is a master of undetected product placement. So in the end it will all be in vain, but for now, the paid version looks better than the free.
        ljlolel 3y ago
        If you’re paying $20/month then I guarantee you’ll be the one paying more
        rurp 3y ago
        Not for many specific topics. If Nike pays OpenAI millions of dollars to overweight their products in the model, do you think they are going to say no? Maybe for now during the hyper growth phase, but long term I expect there will be hundreds of companies with large ad budgets paying the leading AI companies to skew output or censor certain results in their favor.
        mianos 3y ago
        It is no less transparent than google search in the end. You are right. This is a war google has lost. I wonder if we can have a adversarial process that can do better in the AI domain than google can do it in the domain they use for search? Can we run search through vicuna making it less or more biased? I think at lower layers, embeddings vs search network they are probably similar.
two_in_one 3y ago
> "I use ChatGPT daily to make my job 10x easier" but these anecdotes are dubious at best. It can do things that I have to google first, but would rather offload. Still don't use it regularly, may be it or something like it one day. We are just at the beginning, it's only a few months since we've got something coding. > Imo, the real winners here will be Nvidia and Apple, NVidia already is, just recently it's stock jumped +25%+. I expect it do go further up as there is no real strong competition. When robotics pics up NVidia will be a winner again. They invested a lot in hard- and soft-ware.
TechBro8615 3y ago
Hugging Face is probably the AI company with the most widespread traction aside from OpenAI and Midjourney. The entire "open LLM" movement is based on Hugging Face.
Kiro 3y ago
I think you would be surprised how many people use ChatGPT on a daily basis. Claiming it makes them 10x is probably dubious but the utility is real.
- cookieperson 3y ago
  It's absolutely dubious. A few of my colleagues use it. They still get out performed. Actually makes their results worse in some cases...

by dvt 3y ago

mianos 3y ago

OoenAI may be hype but if they got 100M people paying $20 a month for the occasional use of their premium models I would call that a valid business. It does not matter that vicuna or whatever are nearly as good if people are paying for their model and ecosystem.

sv123 3y ago
That's 100M monthly active users, not paying subscribers.
- mianos 3y ago
  Yes, that is why I say 'if they had'. No way they have that many now but amoungst my associates many are still just starting to purchase the payed subscriptions.
  - usaar333 3y ago
    Agreed, but with Bing powered by GPT 4, there isn't that much advantage.
    - DJHenk 3y ago
      One advantage that I hope a paid version of GPT4 has (like ChatGPT Premium) over a free one (like Bing), is that it is a matter of time before the Bing answers will be polluted by whatever an advertiser is willing to spend its money on. Whereas with ChatGPT I am the paying customer. I say "I hope", because time and time again it was shown that companies happily take money from both sides and skew the product to the wishes of the one that pays most, i.e. not me. And since the results of AI are way less transparent than the appearance of an ad, the user will be screwed. If anything, GTP is a master of undetected product placement. So in the end it will all be in vain, but for now, the paid version looks better than the free.
      - ljlolel 3y ago
        If you’re paying $20/month then I guarantee you’ll be the one paying more
        rurp 3y ago
        Not for many specific topics. If Nike pays OpenAI millions of dollars to overweight their products in the model, do you think they are going to say no? Maybe for now during the hyper growth phase, but long term I expect there will be hundreds of companies with large ad budgets paying the leading AI companies to skew output or censor certain results in their favor.
      - mianos 3y ago
        It is no less transparent than google search in the end. You are right. This is a war google has lost. I wonder if we can have a adversarial process that can do better in the AI domain than google can do it in the domain they use for search? Can we run search through vicuna making it less or more biased? I think at lower layers, embeddings vs search network they are probably similar.

two_in_one 3y ago

> "I use ChatGPT daily to make my job 10x easier" but these anecdotes are dubious at best. It can do things that I have to google first, but would rather offload. Still don't use it regularly, may be it or something like it one day. We are just at the beginning, it's only a few months since we've got something coding. > Imo, the real winners here will be Nvidia and Apple, NVidia already is, just recently it's stock jumped +25%+. I expect it do go further up as there is no real strong competition. When robotics pics up NVidia will be a winner again. They invested a lot in hard- and soft-ware.

TechBro8615 3y ago

Hugging Face is probably the AI company with the most widespread traction aside from OpenAI and Midjourney. The entire "open LLM" movement is based on Hugging Face.

Kiro 3y ago

I think you would be surprised how many people use ChatGPT on a daily basis. Claiming it makes them 10x is probably dubious but the utility is real.

cookieperson 3y ago
It's absolutely dubious. A few of my colleagues use it. They still get out performed. Actually makes their results worse in some cases...