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I suppose now is a good time to ask if there are any good _non-corporate_ open source browsers out there? Seems to me that businesses operate within an incenti

I suppose now is a good time to ask if there are any good _non-corporate_ open source browsers out there? Seems to me that businesses operate within an incentive structure that will always encourage them to take maximum advantage of users and do anti-user things no matter what their original goals were. The non-corporate part is key imo (see Canonical, Mozilla now etc.)

LeoPanthera 3y ago
On KDE, Falkon. On Gnome, "Web". On macOS, Safari may not pass your "non-corporate" requirement, but it's spiritually non-corporate, and functionally "just a browser". It's also wicked fast and extremely light on your resources. On many platforms, "ungoogled-chromium" may satisfy your needs. It's under the name "eloston-chromium" in many repos. https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium
- vinay_ys 3y ago
  Safari – such a pleasure to use it.
- postalrat 3y ago
  Safari is the MSIE 6 of this time period.
  - LeoPanthera 3y ago
    That's lazy stereotyping and not even close to being a useful or accurate analogy.
    - postalrat 3y ago
      It's the default browser for many people and also the browser with the most quirks.
  - handsclean 3y ago
    Safari is the fastest browser, the most standards compliant browser, and regularly updated, the only similarity to IE6 is it’s buggy. Chrome, on the other hand, followed IE’s whole playbook: leverage a platform monopoly to push the browser, then leverage browser monopoly to undermine standards, coercing devs into dropping support for the competition.
    - postalrat 3y ago
      How is the the most complaint browser? https://html5test.com/results/desktop.html https://html5test.com/results/desktop.html Looks like its the worst. Unless you have something proving otherwise. Till then I'll assume all your facts are bullshit.
bombcar 3y ago
You have to keep moving; Brave has been relatively good to me for now but I assume it will slump into the melt at some point.
- bordercases 3y ago
  To burst your bubble: https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/browsers#brave https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/browsers#brave
hcal 3y ago
Gnome-Web if you're on linux and it is fine. It is a little light on features, but it does the basics. Falkon is another for the QT/KDE crowd. There are several forks of chrome and firefox, if that's your thing. I'm trying to ungoogle and switched to Vivaldi without enough research. Its a really nice browser and I really like the community around it (like their Mastodon service), but I basically jumped from one corporation's browser to another.
abnercoimbre 3y ago
We're not getting anywhere without the social support for it. Virtually all tech conferences are corporate-funded, for example, so they're not going to praise independent browsers. Conversations get stifled. Self-plug but my indie conferences [0] promote software that respect the user's quality of experience. One of my favorite presentations that we've featured is SerenityOS (including their open-source browser) which made headlines at the time. [1] [0] https://handmadecities.com https://handmadecities.com [1] https://vimeo.com/641406697 https://vimeo.com/641406697

LeoPanthera 3y ago

On KDE, Falkon. On Gnome, "Web". On macOS, Safari may not pass your "non-corporate" requirement, but it's spiritually non-corporate, and functionally "just a browser". It's also wicked fast and extremely light on your resources. On many platforms, "ungoogled-chromium" may satisfy your needs. It's under the name "eloston-chromium" in many repos. https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium https://github.com/ungoogled-software/ungoogled-chromium

vinay_ys 3y ago
Safari – such a pleasure to use it.
postalrat 3y ago
Safari is the MSIE 6 of this time period.
- LeoPanthera 3y ago
  That's lazy stereotyping and not even close to being a useful or accurate analogy.
  - postalrat 3y ago
    It's the default browser for many people and also the browser with the most quirks.
- handsclean 3y ago
  Safari is the fastest browser, the most standards compliant browser, and regularly updated, the only similarity to IE6 is it’s buggy. Chrome, on the other hand, followed IE’s whole playbook: leverage a platform monopoly to push the browser, then leverage browser monopoly to undermine standards, coercing devs into dropping support for the competition.
  - postalrat 3y ago
    How is the the most complaint browser? https://html5test.com/results/desktop.html https://html5test.com/results/desktop.html Looks like its the worst. Unless you have something proving otherwise. Till then I'll assume all your facts are bullshit.

bombcar 3y ago

You have to keep moving; Brave has been relatively good to me for now but I assume it will slump into the melt at some point.

bordercases 3y ago
To burst your bubble: https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/browsers#brave https://digdeeper.neocities.org/articles/browsers#brave

hcal 3y ago

Gnome-Web if you're on linux and it is fine. It is a little light on features, but it does the basics. Falkon is another for the QT/KDE crowd. There are several forks of chrome and firefox, if that's your thing. I'm trying to ungoogle and switched to Vivaldi without enough research. Its a really nice browser and I really like the community around it (like their Mastodon service), but I basically jumped from one corporation's browser to another.

abnercoimbre 3y ago

We're not getting anywhere without the social support for it. Virtually all tech conferences are corporate-funded, for example, so they're not going to praise independent browsers. Conversations get stifled. Self-plug but my indie conferences [0] promote software that respect the user's quality of experience. One of my favorite presentations that we've featured is SerenityOS (including their open-source browser) which made headlines at the time. [1] [0] https://handmadecities.com https://handmadecities.com [1] https://vimeo.com/641406697 https://vimeo.com/641406697