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quires a supporting and an encouraging culture. I'm not sure the US had one (I understand many of people think the US does have one now, but I'm talking about 2

quires a supporting and an encouraging culture. I'm not sure the US had one (I understand many of people think the US does have one now, but I'm talking about 20 or 30 years ago). The pop culture berated nerds and geeks for years. The most popular kids in the school were cheerleaders and sports junkies and kids who could get their hands on alcohols and cigarettes -- this is just unfathomable in many other countries, especially Asian ones. And look at the pipeline! How many "local" kids went to STEM majors other than those who wanted to be doctors? How many kids thought first-year college maths and physics and organic chemistry are so-called weeder coursers? Heck, how many commenters on HN thought that they couldn't study well in high schools because XXX subject is all about rote memory? You don't know anything about other countries. You think China and India with > 1 billion people each are all tech savants and scientists? It is the opposite. Theres 270 million people in poverty in India alone. The population of US is 330 million. Statistically of course there is a larger amount of STEM than US by population. It's a numbers game that also has to do with the advancement of the country and economic goals of its citizens, not 'culture'. It's literally determined by economics Companies can get indentured servants who are loyal and will work against toxicity and long hours that they can get rid of whenever they want. There is plenty of talent in America. The reason they are not utilized is for business and economic reasons. ie revenue/profitability/growth

hintymad 3y ago
> Theres 270 million people in poverty in India alone. I don't deny that. Poverty is different from culture, though. By culture I mean so many scientists and engineers, male or female, were household names in China. Are they in the US? By culture I mean teachers work hard to come up with questions that really help students understand fundamental concepts. How many US teachers do that? By the culture I mean this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8296195/Chinese-girl-seven-study-parents-market-counter-day.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8296195/Chinese-gir.... This created national sensation in China. In contrast, did people in the US give a fuck about the average median GPA in Baltimore was 0.6 or something (some people did, of course, but I'm talking about a nation)? Did people give a fuck about physics teacher in grade 8 giving exam questions like "which one is heavier, pound or kilogram"? Did the nation give a fuck about we can't attract enough talents to become teachers? Or in general, did people give a fuck about the issues raised in the documentary Waiting for "Superman"?
- bobobob420 3y ago
  "By culture I mean teachers work hard to come up with questions that really help students understand fundamental concepts" This is not a part of the culture in any asian country. There is no culture around teachers working hard to come up with questions that help students understand fundamental concepts. Teachers in the US are struggling from economic situation. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked which leads to poor performance. It is not students and families fault that America is so developed you can get by with lower quality education exceptionally well. The 'culture' , a word you are obsessed with and think is a solution rather than another form of bias, is that you dont need to have brains to be successful in the US. More and more asian people are leaning away from this. In fact look at this data from 2019 in India At undergraduate level the highest number (35.9%) of students are enrolled in arts/humanities/social sciences courses followed by science (16.5%), engineering and technology (13.5%) and commerce (14.1%), the All India Survey of Higher Education (AISHE) report revealed. Hmm...seems just like USA... not everyone in these countries is obsessed with becomining an engineer/doctor/lawyer. You are making conclusions through a small lens of what you see, ie anecdotal

hintymad 3y ago

> Theres 270 million people in poverty in India alone. I don't deny that. Poverty is different from culture, though. By culture I mean so many scientists and engineers, male or female, were household names in China. Are they in the US? By culture I mean teachers work hard to come up with questions that really help students understand fundamental concepts. How many US teachers do that? By the culture I mean this: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8296195/Chinese-girl-seven-study-parents-market-counter-day.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8296195/Chinese-gir.... This created national sensation in China. In contrast, did people in the US give a fuck about the average median GPA in Baltimore was 0.6 or something (some people did, of course, but I'm talking about a nation)? Did people give a fuck about physics teacher in grade 8 giving exam questions like "which one is heavier, pound or kilogram"? Did the nation give a fuck about we can't attract enough talents to become teachers? Or in general, did people give a fuck about the issues raised in the documentary Waiting for "Superman"?

bobobob420 3y ago
"By culture I mean teachers work hard to come up with questions that really help students understand fundamental concepts" This is not a part of the culture in any asian country. There is no culture around teachers working hard to come up with questions that help students understand fundamental concepts. Teachers in the US are struggling from economic situation. They are underpaid, underappreciated, and overworked which leads to poor performance. It is not students and families fault that America is so developed you can get by with lower quality education exceptionally well. The 'culture' , a word you are obsessed with and think is a solution rather than another form of bias, is that you dont need to have brains to be successful in the US. More and more asian people are leaning away from this. In fact look at this data from 2019 in India At undergraduate level the highest number (35.9%) of students are enrolled in arts/humanities/social sciences courses followed by science (16.5%), engineering and technology (13.5%) and commerce (14.1%), the All India Survey of Higher Education (AISHE) report revealed. Hmm...seems just like USA... not everyone in these countries is obsessed with becomining an engineer/doctor/lawyer. You are making conclusions through a small lens of what you see, ie anecdotal