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Saab AB that designed Viggen is still active and a separate entity to Saab Automobile. Saab JAS 39 Gripen being the latest generation aircraft.

by loa 3y ago

nocoiner 3y ago
Yes. And from what I understand, they’ll never license their name to an automaker again. So even if somehow Saab-cars-the-company could be resurrected, it would be under a new identity (like, say, New Electric Vehicle Sweden or whatever it was called - doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue). My favorite bit of Saab trivia is that in the 60s, Norway offered Sweden half of its mineral interests in the North Sea in exchange for 40% of Saab. Sweden declined.
- fifilura 3y ago
  And Norway got super rich because of their oil. But good industries may be more long term beneficial and maybe creates a more healthy and sustainable society compared to oil money doping. Pretty sure that deal included Volvo as well, which was always bigger, particularly also including the trucks division. Not sure how serious it was though, and maybe it is only a fairy tale.
  - nocoiner 3y ago
    I mean, I think Norway has been pretty responsible with their North Sea windfall. I don’t think one can really especially criticize them too much for anything they’ve done with Statoil/Equinor or their public petroleum fund. And given Saab’s demise and the sale of Volvo to China, I’m not sure that Sweden going it’s own way demonstrates a more sustainable model of industrial democracy. You’re right though that I should have caveated that trivia - I’m not certain about the specifics or the essential truth of it. Still an interesting counterfactual to consider.
    - ElFitz 3y ago
      > I mean, I think Norway has been pretty responsible with their North Sea windfall. I don’t think one can really especially criticize them too much for anything they’ve done with Statoil/Equinor or their public petroleum fund. And the story of how their sovereign fund came to be is quite an extraordinary one. For those interested: https://www.ft.com/content/99680a04-92a0-11de-b63b-00144feabdc0 https://www.ft.com/content/99680a04-92a0-11de-b63b-00144feab... Edit: and an enticing excerpt > But al-Kasim’s most immediate problem on arriving in Oslo that morning was how to fill the day […] “So I decided to go to the Ministry of Industry and ask them if they knew of any oil companies coming to Norway.” > He deposited his luggage and walked to the ministry, where he was received by a baffled official who told him to come back that afternoon. When he returned, expecting only an address list, several men were waiting for him. “They were keen to know what had I been doing, what kind of education I had, whom I worked for. […]” His request for a list of possible employers had turned into an impromptu job interview. […] At the time of his surprise call, Norway’s oil administration numbered just three officials, all in their thirties and all learning essential parts of the job as they went along.
      - codetrotter 3y ago
        https://archive.is/RI9pj https://archive.is/RI9pj
    - fifilura 3y ago
      Volvo trucks is still swedish. What I meant was not that Norway has spent their oil money irresponsibly. Just that they are not (quite) an industry nation. It is a bit like comparing a person that wins the lottery at 18, although spending it wisely. Compared someone working their way through life. Who has a healthier life in the long run? (I am a swede an my whole post has a not very subtle smell of jealousy, just like person 2 in my example probably has)
      - vetler 3y ago
        As a Norwegian, yeah you're not wrong. We have a lot of challenges to overcome as the oil age is coming to an inevitable end, although there are many here tho refuse to see the writing on the wall.
- capableweb 3y ago
  NEVS - National Electric Vehicle Sweden SAAB - Svenska Aeroplan AB (Swedish Airplane Limited Company) If you call SAAB SAAB, you might as well call NEVS NEVS :)
- Max-q 3y ago
  It was Volvo, not SAAB :)
  - azinman2 3y ago
    Which is now Geely motors. I guess China was more persuasive.
    - ojl 3y ago
      Volvo back then wasn’t just Volvo cars (which Geely bought) but also what is now Volvo Group (trucks, buses, etc).
  - nocoiner 3y ago
    Thank you! Sorry for the misinfo. Motivated reasoning, I suppose.
- mongol 3y ago
  > My favorite bit of Saab trivia is that in the 60s, Norway offered Sweden half of its mineral interests in the North Sea in exchange for 40% of Saab. Sweden declined. Never heard of that. Feels like an obfuscated version of the Volvo-Norway deal that Volvo's CEO PG Gyllenhammar attempted. Are you sure you are not mixing things up?

Saab AB that designed Viggen is still active and a separate entity to Saab Automobile. Saab JAS 39 Gripen being the latest generation aircraft.

by loa 3y ago

Saab AB that designed Viggen is still active and a separate entity to Saab Automobile. Saab JAS 39 Gripen being the latest generation aircraft.

nocoiner 3y ago

Yes. And from what I understand, they’ll never license their name to an automaker again. So even if somehow Saab-cars-the-company could be resurrected, it would be under a new identity (like, say, New Electric Vehicle Sweden or whatever it was called - doesn’t exactly roll off the tongue). My favorite bit of Saab trivia is that in the 60s, Norway offered Sweden half of its mineral interests in the North Sea in exchange for 40% of Saab. Sweden declined.

fifilura 3y ago
And Norway got super rich because of their oil. But good industries may be more long term beneficial and maybe creates a more healthy and sustainable society compared to oil money doping. Pretty sure that deal included Volvo as well, which was always bigger, particularly also including the trucks division. Not sure how serious it was though, and maybe it is only a fairy tale.
- nocoiner 3y ago
  I mean, I think Norway has been pretty responsible with their North Sea windfall. I don’t think one can really especially criticize them too much for anything they’ve done with Statoil/Equinor or their public petroleum fund. And given Saab’s demise and the sale of Volvo to China, I’m not sure that Sweden going it’s own way demonstrates a more sustainable model of industrial democracy. You’re right though that I should have caveated that trivia - I’m not certain about the specifics or the essential truth of it. Still an interesting counterfactual to consider.
  - ElFitz 3y ago
    > I mean, I think Norway has been pretty responsible with their North Sea windfall. I don’t think one can really especially criticize them too much for anything they’ve done with Statoil/Equinor or their public petroleum fund. And the story of how their sovereign fund came to be is quite an extraordinary one. For those interested: https://www.ft.com/content/99680a04-92a0-11de-b63b-00144feabdc0 https://www.ft.com/content/99680a04-92a0-11de-b63b-00144feab... Edit: and an enticing excerpt > But al-Kasim’s most immediate problem on arriving in Oslo that morning was how to fill the day […] “So I decided to go to the Ministry of Industry and ask them if they knew of any oil companies coming to Norway.” > He deposited his luggage and walked to the ministry, where he was received by a baffled official who told him to come back that afternoon. When he returned, expecting only an address list, several men were waiting for him. “They were keen to know what had I been doing, what kind of education I had, whom I worked for. […]” His request for a list of possible employers had turned into an impromptu job interview. […] At the time of his surprise call, Norway’s oil administration numbered just three officials, all in their thirties and all learning essential parts of the job as they went along.
    - codetrotter 3y ago
      https://archive.is/RI9pj https://archive.is/RI9pj
  - fifilura 3y ago
    Volvo trucks is still swedish. What I meant was not that Norway has spent their oil money irresponsibly. Just that they are not (quite) an industry nation. It is a bit like comparing a person that wins the lottery at 18, although spending it wisely. Compared someone working their way through life. Who has a healthier life in the long run? (I am a swede an my whole post has a not very subtle smell of jealousy, just like person 2 in my example probably has)
    - vetler 3y ago
      As a Norwegian, yeah you're not wrong. We have a lot of challenges to overcome as the oil age is coming to an inevitable end, although there are many here tho refuse to see the writing on the wall.
capableweb 3y ago
NEVS - National Electric Vehicle Sweden SAAB - Svenska Aeroplan AB (Swedish Airplane Limited Company) If you call SAAB SAAB, you might as well call NEVS NEVS :)
Max-q 3y ago
It was Volvo, not SAAB :)
- azinman2 3y ago
  Which is now Geely motors. I guess China was more persuasive.
  - ojl 3y ago
    Volvo back then wasn’t just Volvo cars (which Geely bought) but also what is now Volvo Group (trucks, buses, etc).
- nocoiner 3y ago
  Thank you! Sorry for the misinfo. Motivated reasoning, I suppose.
mongol 3y ago
> My favorite bit of Saab trivia is that in the 60s, Norway offered Sweden half of its mineral interests in the North Sea in exchange for 40% of Saab. Sweden declined. Never heard of that. Feels like an obfuscated version of the Volvo-Norway deal that Volvo's CEO PG Gyllenhammar attempted. Are you sure you are not mixing things up?