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Wow - never done the math. My home rate is 30 cents a KWh (in NH). So each mile is 10 cents. So let's compare to Prius at say 50mpg. Breakeven gas cost is then

Wow - never done the math. My home rate is 30 cents a KWh (in NH). So each mile is 10 cents. So let's compare to Prius at say 50mpg. Breakeven gas cost is then $5 for it to cost 10 cents per mile. Seems like a Prius is actually cheaper per mile?

pseg134 3y ago
This is why we need laws against IC engines. People obsessed with dollars and cents and missing the fact that we are killing this planet.
- HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
  It's people's obsessions with dollars and cents that will provide the incentive to actually save the planet. Or, you could just see what the superior attitude gets you.
- meetingthrower 3y ago
  But I think this attitude actually creates the MAGA folks. It should (and can) deliver on economics AND outcomes. And this needs to be done upstream of consumer, or we are just putting another tax on the poorest part of our population. I'm all for electric, but thinking we are missing a huge opportunity during the 30-50 year transition to cut gas use in half TODAY with hybrids. And this eliminates all the range anxiety excuses as well. Right now, EV users are the very rich. EV users actually have MORE cars on average, and tend to drive their EVs less than their ICE cars. They have a house to charge their car in at night. (I know there are many anecdotes that will give counter examples. But this is what the data say on average.) We need a way to get to the rest of the population.
mschuster91 3y ago
> Seems like a Prius is actually cheaper per mile? Not if you factor in all the side costs associated with owning an ICE car in maintenance. With an electric car, basically all you have to do is tire exchanges and brake pads - and less of the latter too, because most braking of an electric vehicle is done by regenerative braking so the pads aren't used at all if you're a decent driver.
- meetingthrower 3y ago
  Well a Prius costs $27K and the model Y $47K, so that is a lot of maintenance!
_ea1k 3y ago
Yes, in places with very high utility rates, a Prius is often cheaper.
1970-01-01 3y ago
That is true in a short-term sense, however if you include hidden complexities such as crashing solar rates, long-term fuel prices, maintenance costs, and resale value... A 10 year Prius ownership will still cost you more.
shmatt 3y ago
This is exactly why getting a Prius has become very hard. Some dealerships are asking for $10k over MSRP https://preview.redd.it/insane-23-prius-markup-v0-t422zsfhnmia1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=d1b90c09dab419898424bdbdb554f0bf63dda7c4 https://preview.redd.it/insane-23-prius-markup-v0-t422zsfhnm...
Tagbert 3y ago
raises the question of why your electricity rates are so high.

pseg134 3y ago

This is why we need laws against IC engines. People obsessed with dollars and cents and missing the fact that we are killing this planet.

HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago
It's people's obsessions with dollars and cents that will provide the incentive to actually save the planet. Or, you could just see what the superior attitude gets you.
meetingthrower 3y ago
But I think this attitude actually creates the MAGA folks. It should (and can) deliver on economics AND outcomes. And this needs to be done upstream of consumer, or we are just putting another tax on the poorest part of our population. I'm all for electric, but thinking we are missing a huge opportunity during the 30-50 year transition to cut gas use in half TODAY with hybrids. And this eliminates all the range anxiety excuses as well. Right now, EV users are the very rich. EV users actually have MORE cars on average, and tend to drive their EVs less than their ICE cars. They have a house to charge their car in at night. (I know there are many anecdotes that will give counter examples. But this is what the data say on average.) We need a way to get to the rest of the population.

mschuster91 3y ago

> Seems like a Prius is actually cheaper per mile? Not if you factor in all the side costs associated with owning an ICE car in maintenance. With an electric car, basically all you have to do is tire exchanges and brake pads - and less of the latter too, because most braking of an electric vehicle is done by regenerative braking so the pads aren't used at all if you're a decent driver.

meetingthrower 3y ago
Well a Prius costs $27K and the model Y $47K, so that is a lot of maintenance!

_ea1k 3y ago

Yes, in places with very high utility rates, a Prius is often cheaper.

1970-01-01 3y ago

That is true in a short-term sense, however if you include hidden complexities such as crashing solar rates, long-term fuel prices, maintenance costs, and resale value... A 10 year Prius ownership will still cost you more.

shmatt 3y ago

This is exactly why getting a Prius has become very hard. Some dealerships are asking for $10k over MSRP https://preview.redd.it/insane-23-prius-markup-v0-t422zsfhnmia1.png?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=d1b90c09dab419898424bdbdb554f0bf63dda7c4 https://preview.redd.it/insane-23-prius-markup-v0-t422zsfhnm...

Tagbert 3y ago

raises the question of why your electricity rates are so high.