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My grandma, once snapped at my dad when he pointed out that something on the news wasn’t true. Grandma: “They aren’t allowed to lie on the news so that has to

My grandma, once snapped at my dad when he pointed out that something on the news wasn’t true. Grandma: “They aren’t allowed to lie on the news so that has to be true.”

mschuster91 3y ago
> Grandma: “They aren’t allowed to lie on the news so that has to be true.” That's the problem with Boomers and earlier generations. They grew up (in the US) with first the Mayflower and then the Fairness Doctrine that forced at least some basic ethics standards, and with a media portfolio that didn't consist of a few very rich people and companies controlling wide swaths of media (Fox, Sinclair, Murdoch come to my mind), leading to actual competition between media, high quality journalism and actually well paid journalists. They didn't realize that the landscape has changed - there are no media standards anymore, there is no antitrust enforcement anymore, hell Carlson got away with his antics because a court ruled that a "reasonable viewer" would be skeptic towards his claims [1] despite it being more than obvious that Carlson's audience eat up everything he spouts as pure truth. [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-...
- esja 3y ago
  You're right, and it's getting worse, but even in 1962 there were problems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Image:_A_Guide_to_Pseudo-events_in_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Image:_A_Guide_to_Pseudo-e... The internet accelerated the decline by 1) destroying media business models, leading to seasoned editors and fact checkers being replaced by cheaper twenty-something Twitter addicts, and 2) driving consumers into filter bubbles and feeding their confirmation bias. Even NPR are deteriorating. For example, this aged extremely poorly: https://twitter.com/NPRpubliceditor/status/1319281101223940096 https://twitter.com/NPRpubliceditor/status/13192811012239400...
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > Even NPR are deteriorating. For example, this aged extremely poorly: https://twitter.com/NPRpubliceditor/status/13192811012239400 https://twitter.com/NPRpubliceditor/status/13192811012239400... It did not. Even a Republican-led investigation didn't find any wrongdoing [1]. Not every bullshit conspiracy claim of the far right warrants an investigation - their entire modus operandi is running a continuous "firehose of falsehood" stream [2], and media reporting on each and every of their claims like a bunch of flies swarming around a pile of poo is actually dangerous to society. When the far right manages to create absurd amount of media attention for nothing substantial every time they open their mouths, then there's no airtime left to report on stuff that actually matters. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-report.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
- treeman79 3y ago
  Fairness doctrine was specifically to try and silence conservative voices. Talk radio, prove to be a great venue for conservative speech. Countless efforts were made to silence them in the name of “fairness” as defined by government bureaucrats.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    > Fairness doctrine was specifically to try and silence conservative voices. Or maybe "conservative voices" have used lies and hatred as a political tool for decades? We've seen just how incredibly the media landscape has devolved since the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine. Far-right talking points everywhere. Name one, just one case of "progressive voices" doing the same that comes even close to what the right wing does with people like Tucker Carlson every single day.
  - skinnymuch 3y ago
    If conservatives were being silenced, what happened to socialists and communists? Seems like conservatives weren’t being silenced at all.
  - AntiRemote 3y ago
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My grandma, once snapped at my dad when he pointed out that something on the news wasn’t true. Grandma: “They aren’t allowed to lie on the news so that has to be true.”

mschuster91 3y ago

> Grandma: “They aren’t allowed to lie on the news so that has to be true.” That's the problem with Boomers and earlier generations. They grew up (in the US) with first the Mayflower and then the Fairness Doctrine that forced at least some basic ethics standards, and with a media portfolio that didn't consist of a few very rich people and companies controlling wide swaths of media (Fox, Sinclair, Murdoch come to my mind), leading to actual competition between media, high quality journalism and actually well paid journalists. They didn't realize that the landscape has changed - there are no media standards anymore, there is no antitrust enforcement anymore, hell Carlson got away with his antics because a court ruled that a "reasonable viewer" would be skeptic towards his claims [1] despite it being more than obvious that Carlson's audience eat up everything he spouts as pure truth. [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-...

esja 3y ago
You're right, and it's getting worse, but even in 1962 there were problems: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Image:_A_Guide_to_Pseudo-events_in_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Image:_A_Guide_to_Pseudo-e... The internet accelerated the decline by 1) destroying media business models, leading to seasoned editors and fact checkers being replaced by cheaper twenty-something Twitter addicts, and 2) driving consumers into filter bubbles and feeding their confirmation bias. Even NPR are deteriorating. For example, this aged extremely poorly: https://twitter.com/NPRpubliceditor/status/1319281101223940096 https://twitter.com/NPRpubliceditor/status/13192811012239400...
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Even NPR are deteriorating. For example, this aged extremely poorly: https://twitter.com/NPRpubliceditor/status/13192811012239400 https://twitter.com/NPRpubliceditor/status/13192811012239400... It did not. Even a Republican-led investigation didn't find any wrongdoing [1]. Not every bullshit conspiracy claim of the far right warrants an investigation - their entire modus operandi is running a continuous "firehose of falsehood" stream [2], and media reporting on each and every of their claims like a bunch of flies swarming around a pile of poo is actually dangerous to society. When the far right manages to create absurd amount of media attention for nothing substantial every time they open their mouths, then there's no airtime left to report on stuff that actually matters. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-house-republicans-report.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/10/us/politics/hunter-biden-... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
treeman79 3y ago
Fairness doctrine was specifically to try and silence conservative voices. Talk radio, prove to be a great venue for conservative speech. Countless efforts were made to silence them in the name of “fairness” as defined by government bureaucrats.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  > Fairness doctrine was specifically to try and silence conservative voices. Or maybe "conservative voices" have used lies and hatred as a political tool for decades? We've seen just how incredibly the media landscape has devolved since the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine. Far-right talking points everywhere. Name one, just one case of "progressive voices" doing the same that comes even close to what the right wing does with people like Tucker Carlson every single day.
- skinnymuch 3y ago
  If conservatives were being silenced, what happened to socialists and communists? Seems like conservatives weren’t being silenced at all.
- AntiRemote 3y ago
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