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They really underplayed their lack of compromise on things like safety and whatnot tbh. People should have seen them as quality above and beyond and be willing

They really underplayed their lack of compromise on things like safety and whatnot tbh. People should have seen them as quality above and beyond and be willing to pay a lil premium for that but i'd guess the average person saw em as fairly mediocre. I'm not scandinavian but kinda wish Sweden had been protectionist towards saab (& finland to do the same with nokia). That kind of protectionism shouldn't be as looked down on as it is especially when it's prevented so selectively and the lack of it has lead to a less broad, less competitive market in many areas. There's still Koenigsegg, volvo/polestar & related, scania, etc but other than koenigsegg those are all foreign owned now.

b112 3y ago
be willing to pay a lil premium for that but i'd guess the average person saw em as fairly mediocre. No, the average person barely cares for quality, vs cost. The average person will buy the cheapest thing possible, even if it means it lasts a year instead of 10, at a 20% discount. You can see it in all the "made in china" stuff, mostly sold as in-house brands for retailers. Whether Europe, Canada, the US, people but these retailer brands, this junk, and seem, bizarrely, happy. But then the average person thinks they can profit at the casino, and cannot think beyond today.
- sofixa 3y ago
  > No, the average person barely cares for quality, vs cost. The average person will buy the cheapest thing possible, even if it means it lasts a year instead of 10, at a 20% discount. Not on the car market, or there wouldn't be such a proliferation of SUVs and pickups which are a useless waste for 90%+ of their users, and there would be few luxury/mid-tier brands - everyone would be driving around in the smallest Dacias and Skodas. Cars are a status symbol, and many people would prefer to pay more for the same car with a different badge indicating a higher status - case in point, the VW Group has a big range of brands, with cars being pretty much identical outside of small changes in visual design (interior and exterior), and VW (mid-tier) and Audi(higher-tier) outsell the "cheap" Skoda and SEAT - https://www.statista.com/statistics/275868/sales-figures-for-volkswagen-by-brand/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/275868/sales-figures-for....
  - Tade0 3y ago
    I'll do you one better: Porsche Cayenne not only shares a platform and some systems with the VW Touareg, the rear doors are interchangeable.
tentacleuno 3y ago
The Koenigsegg Agera is still an absolute classic for me.

b112 3y ago

be willing to pay a lil premium for that but i'd guess the average person saw em as fairly mediocre. No, the average person barely cares for quality, vs cost. The average person will buy the cheapest thing possible, even if it means it lasts a year instead of 10, at a 20% discount. You can see it in all the "made in china" stuff, mostly sold as in-house brands for retailers. Whether Europe, Canada, the US, people but these retailer brands, this junk, and seem, bizarrely, happy. But then the average person thinks they can profit at the casino, and cannot think beyond today.

sofixa 3y ago
> No, the average person barely cares for quality, vs cost. The average person will buy the cheapest thing possible, even if it means it lasts a year instead of 10, at a 20% discount. Not on the car market, or there wouldn't be such a proliferation of SUVs and pickups which are a useless waste for 90%+ of their users, and there would be few luxury/mid-tier brands - everyone would be driving around in the smallest Dacias and Skodas. Cars are a status symbol, and many people would prefer to pay more for the same car with a different badge indicating a higher status - case in point, the VW Group has a big range of brands, with cars being pretty much identical outside of small changes in visual design (interior and exterior), and VW (mid-tier) and Audi(higher-tier) outsell the "cheap" Skoda and SEAT - https://www.statista.com/statistics/275868/sales-figures-for-volkswagen-by-brand/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/275868/sales-figures-for....
- Tade0 3y ago
  I'll do you one better: Porsche Cayenne not only shares a platform and some systems with the VW Touareg, the rear doors are interchangeable.

tentacleuno 3y ago

The Koenigsegg Agera is still an absolute classic for me.