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Let's brainstorm some solutions to some of the problems that would arise with another glassdoor clone: - How do you verify that the reviews are actually from c

Let's brainstorm some solutions to some of the problems that would arise with another glassdoor clone: - How do you verify that the reviews are actually from current/former employees? - Can the data be open for the public to verify while protecting the people leaving reviews? - How could the service get funding? Donation model? - How would you overcome the initial issues with trust? - How do you prevent companies from manipulating the scores/reviews? - How do you handle legal challenges if you're based on something like a donation model? Companies would surely sue you at one point or another if they cannot take down reviews themselves

pzo 3y ago
>- How do you verify that the reviews are actually from current/former employees? People who write review would have to upload recent pay slip or after when committing review provide their email at employee to receive some passcode active within 2 months >- Can the data be open for the public to verify while protecting the people leaving reviews? Verification explained above. Token to employee at employer domain email would be anonymous. Reviews would be randomly visible within 1-8 weeks after submission. >- How could the service get funding? Donation model? Jobs advertisement ads and website getting commission if someone got hired from advertised jobs like most agency get. Hired person would get small bonus for confirming got accepted. >- How would you overcome the initial issues with trust? Just reliable reviews that got verified with payslip and domain email and maybe even passport just to make sure employer doesn't create dozens of fake payslips and domain emails. >- How do you prevent companies from manipulating the scores/reviews? See above >- How do you handle legal challenges if you're based on something like a donation model? Companies would surely sue you at one point or another if they cannot take down reviews themselves Just create account in some law friendly country. Don't store any user data such as passport, payslip, user employee emails etc - after verifying just delete those
- foota 3y ago
  > People who write review would have to upload recent pay slip or after when committing review provide their email at employee to receive some passcode active within 2 months The employer controls their email domain.
- marcinzm 3y ago
  >Jobs advertisement ads and website getting commission if someone got hired from advertised jobs like most agency get. Hired person would get small bonus for confirming got accepted. >Just create account in some law friendly country. Don't store any user data such as passport, payslip, user employee emails etc - after verifying just delete those The more you try to detach from the countries that will (possibly) make you retain that information (or block you from collecting it) the harder it is to do business with companies from those countries (or to enforce contracts against them for things like commissions).
- oblio 3y ago
  Your model would get you a grand total of 5 users.
  - listenallyall 3y ago
    if we're not counting the internal devs & testers, I'd take the under
- xaitv 3y ago
  > People who write review would have to upload recent pay slip or after when committing review provide their email at employee to receive some passcode active within 2 months If I was leaving a review, even if I cared about it a lot, and I'd have to upload a recent pay slip I'd just leave the site and not bother with it anymore.
  - icepat 3y ago
    Any data-breach would be an utter nightmare for the users with that sort of info on the site.
    - pzo 3y ago
      The idea would be not to store those data on server only process it and keep anonymous data or even only aggregated. Some processing maybe could be done also on the client or payslip user name masked after verifying it matches passport holder locally before sending to server. Other option using blockchain with open source repo. I know a lot of HN users are in theory very distrustful about anything new but in practise still: - using VPNs (even paid one don't guarantee your data is safe) - tor - open source password managers (w/o reading source code) - Dropbox etc - compiling random open source code first without reading - having no issue telling hour rate or daily rate recruiter on linkedin when asked and attaching resume. So what's so very sensitive in payslip if you already providing this kind of information to any recruiter?
      - capableweb 3y ago
        > So what's so very sensitive in payslip if you already providing this kind of information to any recruiter? I know 0% people out of my circle who would share payslips with any potential employers, even less any recruiter, while we frequently talk about our pay with each other and co-workers at our work.
        pzo 3y ago
        Ok but genuine question why? Does in other countries payslip has any other more sensitive information than name, company and salary? Any more sensitive information than CV you attaching to recruiter?
- Tade0 3y ago
  >- How could the service get funding? Donation model? I have a more hellish proposal: want to publish a review? Pay. Want to see reviews? Pay. Small amounts of course, but I would like to see someone actually sign off assigning a budget for something like this in a sufficiently large organization.
- ztrww 3y ago
  > Jobs advertisement ads and website getting commission if someone got hired from advertised jobs like most agency get. If you rely on income from the same companies that are reviewed on your site it will inevitably become just as bad as glassdoor
- ghaff 3y ago
  >People who write review would have to upload recent pay slip or after when committing review provide their email at employee to receive some passcode active within 2 months No sane person is uploading a pay slip so they can leave a review on some internet site. In fact, I'd daresay the only reviews you'd see at that point are from individuals (or companies) with sufficient incentive to generate convincing-looking fake pay stubs.
  - pzo 3y ago
    Would they also risk making convincing fake passport that has the same name as fake payslip? Not a lawyer but this probsbly could be considered a fraud.
supriyo-biswas 3y ago
HN has many entrepreneurial types so I don’t think this suggestion would go over particularly well, but entrusting a government body with some of these functions would seem to take care of the identity verification and review manipulation part of it. The government already knows about your income sources and employment status, so it would not expose any more information. As for transparency, maybe publish review hashes similar to CT logs?
- mathieuh 3y ago
  I think any government doing this is very unlikely. Governments aim to make things easier for capital, not labour. Where I am it's actually technically illegal for you to even discuss your salary with your fellow workers.
  - oblio 3y ago
    Where are you located?
    - 2devnull 3y ago
      He can’t even say that.
  - ztrww 3y ago
    So governments do, some don’t, some occasionally try to do both. where I am not only are salary ranges mandatory on job ads but company also have to publicly disclose a lot of stats wages/salaries. Median, average, quartiles etc. for all full time and part time employees.
  - Tehnix 3y ago
    In Sweden, Norway and Finland, information about every individual's income is publicly accessible. I kinda wish Denmark would do the same (where I’m located).
ben_w 3y ago
Make a Glassdoor competitor called "Goodheart" and see how many people get the reference.

pzo 3y ago

>- How do you verify that the reviews are actually from current/former employees? People who write review would have to upload recent pay slip or after when committing review provide their email at employee to receive some passcode active within 2 months >- Can the data be open for the public to verify while protecting the people leaving reviews? Verification explained above. Token to employee at employer domain email would be anonymous. Reviews would be randomly visible within 1-8 weeks after submission. >- How could the service get funding? Donation model? Jobs advertisement ads and website getting commission if someone got hired from advertised jobs like most agency get. Hired person would get small bonus for confirming got accepted. >- How would you overcome the initial issues with trust? Just reliable reviews that got verified with payslip and domain email and maybe even passport just to make sure employer doesn't create dozens of fake payslips and domain emails. >- How do you prevent companies from manipulating the scores/reviews? See above >- How do you handle legal challenges if you're based on something like a donation model? Companies would surely sue you at one point or another if they cannot take down reviews themselves Just create account in some law friendly country. Don't store any user data such as passport, payslip, user employee emails etc - after verifying just delete those

foota 3y ago
> People who write review would have to upload recent pay slip or after when committing review provide their email at employee to receive some passcode active within 2 months The employer controls their email domain.
marcinzm 3y ago
>Jobs advertisement ads and website getting commission if someone got hired from advertised jobs like most agency get. Hired person would get small bonus for confirming got accepted. >Just create account in some law friendly country. Don't store any user data such as passport, payslip, user employee emails etc - after verifying just delete those The more you try to detach from the countries that will (possibly) make you retain that information (or block you from collecting it) the harder it is to do business with companies from those countries (or to enforce contracts against them for things like commissions).
oblio 3y ago
Your model would get you a grand total of 5 users.
- listenallyall 3y ago
  if we're not counting the internal devs & testers, I'd take the under
xaitv 3y ago
> People who write review would have to upload recent pay slip or after when committing review provide their email at employee to receive some passcode active within 2 months If I was leaving a review, even if I cared about it a lot, and I'd have to upload a recent pay slip I'd just leave the site and not bother with it anymore.
- icepat 3y ago
  Any data-breach would be an utter nightmare for the users with that sort of info on the site.
  - pzo 3y ago
    The idea would be not to store those data on server only process it and keep anonymous data or even only aggregated. Some processing maybe could be done also on the client or payslip user name masked after verifying it matches passport holder locally before sending to server. Other option using blockchain with open source repo. I know a lot of HN users are in theory very distrustful about anything new but in practise still: - using VPNs (even paid one don't guarantee your data is safe) - tor - open source password managers (w/o reading source code) - Dropbox etc - compiling random open source code first without reading - having no issue telling hour rate or daily rate recruiter on linkedin when asked and attaching resume. So what's so very sensitive in payslip if you already providing this kind of information to any recruiter?
    - capableweb 3y ago
      > So what's so very sensitive in payslip if you already providing this kind of information to any recruiter? I know 0% people out of my circle who would share payslips with any potential employers, even less any recruiter, while we frequently talk about our pay with each other and co-workers at our work.
      - pzo 3y ago
        Ok but genuine question why? Does in other countries payslip has any other more sensitive information than name, company and salary? Any more sensitive information than CV you attaching to recruiter?
Tade0 3y ago
>- How could the service get funding? Donation model? I have a more hellish proposal: want to publish a review? Pay. Want to see reviews? Pay. Small amounts of course, but I would like to see someone actually sign off assigning a budget for something like this in a sufficiently large organization.
ztrww 3y ago
> Jobs advertisement ads and website getting commission if someone got hired from advertised jobs like most agency get. If you rely on income from the same companies that are reviewed on your site it will inevitably become just as bad as glassdoor
ghaff 3y ago
>People who write review would have to upload recent pay slip or after when committing review provide their email at employee to receive some passcode active within 2 months No sane person is uploading a pay slip so they can leave a review on some internet site. In fact, I'd daresay the only reviews you'd see at that point are from individuals (or companies) with sufficient incentive to generate convincing-looking fake pay stubs.
- pzo 3y ago
  Would they also risk making convincing fake passport that has the same name as fake payslip? Not a lawyer but this probsbly could be considered a fraud.

supriyo-biswas 3y ago

HN has many entrepreneurial types so I don’t think this suggestion would go over particularly well, but entrusting a government body with some of these functions would seem to take care of the identity verification and review manipulation part of it. The government already knows about your income sources and employment status, so it would not expose any more information. As for transparency, maybe publish review hashes similar to CT logs?

mathieuh 3y ago
I think any government doing this is very unlikely. Governments aim to make things easier for capital, not labour. Where I am it's actually technically illegal for you to even discuss your salary with your fellow workers.
- oblio 3y ago
  Where are you located?
  - 2devnull 3y ago
    He can’t even say that.
- ztrww 3y ago
  So governments do, some don’t, some occasionally try to do both. where I am not only are salary ranges mandatory on job ads but company also have to publicly disclose a lot of stats wages/salaries. Median, average, quartiles etc. for all full time and part time employees.
- Tehnix 3y ago
  In Sweden, Norway and Finland, information about every individual's income is publicly accessible. I kinda wish Denmark would do the same (where I’m located).

ben_w 3y ago

Make a Glassdoor competitor called "Goodheart" and see how many people get the reference.