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Din 1450, recommended for barrier-free reading
- JdeBP 3y agoThe actual DIN 1450:2013-04 standard is available from the likes of https://www.beuth.de/en/standard/din-1450/170093157 https://www.beuth.de/en/standard/din-1450/170093157 .
- prox 3y agoIt’s funny because for all the talk of legibility, the text cuts off on my iPad.
- weinzierl 3y agoOn Safari on iPhone as well.
- dvh 3y ago$500 for a font? Is this an ad?
- dgellow 3y agoThat’s not too expensive for a niche professional font like this one.
- jstummbillig 3y agoThis is how comprehensive font families are priced. https://www.fontshop.com/families/neue-helvetica/buy https://www.fontshop.com/families/neue-helvetica/buy Idk. Font pricing always felt wrong -- but then again, it is incredibly painstaking and specialized work to design one.
- Topolomancer 3y agoMeta: Ironic how the website does not render correctly in Google Chrome on Android. I feel that web design has become rather complicated these days, but surely it's not an impossible task to make websites work for more than one device?
- abujazar 3y agoSame on Safari for iPhone… The page is completely illegible.
- dgellow 3y agoI basically had a blank page, but using the reader mode you can read the content
- prox 3y agoIt’s not complicated if you are a pro, but this is probably just laziness or an intern or something similar happening.
- Mizoguchi 3y agoThis is the reason why front end developers command so much money. The amount of work required to keep a website without breaking every year or two is ridiculous. And every time you want to update a dependency that's at least a full day of work. Compare that to backend software written in Cobol or Fortran that is still supporting critical infrastructure and services like manufacturing and finance with little to no modifications to the codebase in decades, except for maybe APIs to interface with modern applications and UIs, and these APIs don't change much either.
- jaclaz 3y ago... and with javascript disabled I get an inaccessible error from Cloudflare (error 1020), would that also count as "barrier"?
- maxnoe 3y agoMissed opportunity to introduce the term Keming
- chrismorgan 3y ago> Monotype fonts, which have been specially adapted to these recommendations, carry the name affix, "1450". None of those commas should be present, and they significantly change the meaning of the sentence. With them (especially the first), it means that all Monotype fonts have been specially adapted to these recommendations and carry The Name Affix, which is “1450”. The commas serve equivalently to parentheses: “Monotype fonts (which have been specially adapted to these recommendations) carry the name affix ("1450").” What they meant was: “Monotype fonts which have been specially adapted to these recommendations carry the name affix "1450".” That is: the subset of Monotype fonts so adapted are identified by the presence of the “1450” name affix. A remark like this would normally be off-topic on HN, but I mention it because (a) the line threw me, for a couple of readings, and I only resolved it because I know Monotype fonts have been round much longer than this DIN 1450 thing and by inference from the next sentence; and (b) correct language usage is at least as important as font when it comes to “barrier-free reading”. Some of the other commas in the article are also wrong in the same and similar ways. I’m curious whether there might be something about comma usage or sentence structure in the native language of the author, which I’m guessing isn’t English. (There are a few other mildly unusual or clumsy word choices and sentence structures, and a few minor errors. Given the context, probably German.)
- JdeBP 3y agoIt's fairly obviously primarily targetting a German market. There are no French and Spanish versions, and I suspect that the English version is there as the fallback for whatever international market there is. The German language version has fewer commas: * https://www.linotype.com/de/6990/din-1450.html https://www.linotype.com/de/6990/din-1450.html I wonder how badly Hacker News would have coped with a submission in German. (-:
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- Eduard 3y ago"Schriften von Monotype, die speziell an diese Empfehlungen angepasst wurden, tragen den Namenszusatz „1450“."
- jph 3y agoBlue Highway is a font with a similar purpose of roadway readability: https://www.dafont.com/blue-highway.font https://www.dafont.com/blue-highway.font "Blue Highway is a sans-serif design inspired by the FHWA Series of Standard Alphabets, popularly known as Highway Gothic, from the United States Department of Transportation."
- OJFord 3y agoOof, that lowercase 'g'... Is it just me or does it look completely out of place, like it's from a different font?
- JdeBP 3y agoStrictly speaking, Blue Highway, like Expressway, Interstate, Traffic, Overpass, and several others, is inspired by the U.S. federal standard. Although a font expert with a magnifying glass is probably required to spot some of the differences, I suspect. (-: * https://typodermicfonts.com/expressway/ https://typodermicfonts.com/expressway/ * https://www.fonts4free.net/traffic-11027-font.html https://www.fonts4free.net/traffic-11027-font.html * https://github.com/RedHatOfficial/Overpass https://github.com/RedHatOfficial/Overpass
- chrismorgan 3y agoOne of the important differences seems to be more open shapes on such as c, e, 6 and 9. This is a major improvement; I’ve never understood why so many fonts curl around so far as they do, because it definitely harms distinctions. They’ve introduced dotted zero in Neue Frutiger 1450, which I presume means DIN 1450 specifies some such thing. This confuses me, because the ambiguity it introduces with 8 is much worse (for frequency of relevance) than the ambiguity it resolves with O (capital o). Coding monospaces can benefit from dotted or slashed zeroes, and variable-stroke-width serifs can get quite a nice thin slash which makes it clearly neither 8 nor O, but in uniform-stroke-width sans-serifs designed for general-purpose language usage, I’ve just never understood why anyone would do it. It’s obviously worse.
- JdeBP 3y agoThe Unterscheidbarkeit von Schriftzeichen und Ziffern section of the standard appears to be the right place to look.
- quink 3y agoSo a separate font for features that should be OpenType variations. Glad to see that spirit is still alive over at Linotype. Meanwhile in the real world, Inter is still widely rising, with lots of OpenType variations and variable weights.
- smarx007 3y agoAtkinson Hyperlegible [1] is a great free alternative, I think. https://brailleinstitute.org/freefont https://brailleinstitute.org/freefont
- JdeBP 3y agoA U.S. institution has probably not considered DIN 1450 conformance, but it would be interesting if it turned out that it was conformant. The Bigelow & Holmes Go fonts claim DIN 1450 conformance. * https://go.dev/blog/go-fonts https://go.dev/blog/go-fonts
- ChatGTP 3y agoThis site is totally unreadable on Firefox for iOS , which is ironic .
- sakex 3y agoGiven how this site looks on mobile, I'm not sure I can trust their opinion on barrier-free reading
- Mistletoe 3y agoI work in GMP manufacturing of drugs now (every word and letter has to be copied and transcribed over and over perfectly through the whole process) and it has really revealed to me how bizarre the English alphabet is from a getting text right standpoint. Is that a 0 or O on this copy of a copy of some text or handwriting I’m reading? Is it an l or I or 1? Is that a 7? Hard to know since putting the horizontal tick mark in the middle of the 7 isn’t allowed there. This font makes some good changes I wish were implemented everywhere.
- geoffharcourt 3y agoThis site is completely unusable on my phone's browser.
- picklebarrel 3y agoI find it hilarious that after clicking on a link about "barrier free reading" on my phone, I'm taken to a page with 3 sections: the left section is entirely blank, the right section has about 8 words in an enormous font, and the bottom section has the left half of a cookie permission pop-up.
- dhalucario 3y agoThis site is about barrier free reading but I can't read it on my phone.