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I test drove a Polestar 2, what are these car designers thinking with rear view visibility! The between the rear headrests and huge slanted C-pillars you had a

I test drove a Polestar 2, what are these car designers thinking with rear view visibility! The between the rear headrests and huge slanted C-pillars you had a tiny sheet of paper sized opening to see out. I honestly thought the mirrors were adjusted wrong and were looking at the roof. Couple that with a half-baked 360 reversing camera that turned every obstacle into a trapezoidal blur, reversing parking that car between two other cars at the end of the drive was terrifying experience. Nice car though.

camillomiller 3y ago
Well the new Polestar solved the problem… by removing the rear window altogether and slapping a camera in its place. Not joking, look it up!
- mschuster91 3y ago
  How the fuck is that even road legal?
  - wizzzzzy 3y ago
    There's plenty of vans that don't have any rear windows
    - latchkey 3y ago
      My campervan (Promaster 2500) has rear windows, but it isn't like I can see anything out of them when I'm driving. Usually just leave them covered anyway.
  - qup 3y ago
    I've only ever heard of a requirement for 2 mirrors. Those can be on the outside.
    - singleshot_ 3y ago
      Varies by state in the us. Some require two mirrors and one must be outside on the left. Some are similar but on the right. Some states you need two outside if the one inside is blocked.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
    because you can see what's behind you? Via the camera, but that's just a detail. It's possible to get _better_ visibility from a camera than a mirror. e.g. good placement, adapting to low light.
    - thevagrant 3y ago
      I've had plenty of car cameras glitch out or stop working.
      - stephencanon 3y ago
        To say nothing of getting crusted with road salt anytime you drive in winter.
      - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
        I said that it's possible to get better. Not inevitable.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  This is the Polestar 4 without the actual rear window https://uk.motor1.com/news/663436/why-polestar-4-has-no-rear-window/ https://uk.motor1.com/news/663436/why-polestar-4-has-no-rear... Aside, IDK if the Polestar 4 is "the new Polestar". The Polestar 2 is on the roads - I've seen them, and the 3 hasn't even shipped yet, now due in 2024: https://electrek.co/2023/05/11/polestar-delays-polestar-3-production-after-record-q1-deliveries/ https://electrek.co/2023/05/11/polestar-delays-polestar-3-pr... What does that make the 4? The one after the new one? The vapourware?
alkonaut 3y ago
You only need the rear view for keeping an eye on traffic behind while on the road, so basically the window should be the size of the FoV in your rear view mirror. For parking, I don't think I have looked at anything but cameras for the last 15 years. The camera is so much better than both looking backwards and using the center mirror. The rear window doesn't show the most important thing you want to see when parking: the area of ground closest to your car. Especially with 360 cameras because you can then "look" backwards without missing anything happening elsewhere. I definitely bought my last car without 360 cameras several years ago.
- Gravityloss 3y ago
  And kids running behind the car when reversing. Honestly, visibility is in the top five criteria for me (others include driver's seat, sound proofing and big boot lid). Parking sensors and cameras of course help but are they a total substitute?
  - detaro 3y ago
    The kids case is one where camera has a clear benefit I'd say. Even if you have clear visibility to the rear window, you just can't see anything below the window height. And anyone coming from the sides you'd not see through the rear window either - but a very open vehicle might be a tad better through the side windows? Although with cameras being added to side mirrors or vehicle corners (and large screens!), that can also be expanded.
    - CalRobert 3y ago
      A good reason to have the windows down when reversing - at least then you have the benefit of hearing any kids behind you as well.
  - alkonaut 3y ago
    Total substitute. And they have to be, because once you have them you ONLY look at the screen. There is no chance I'm even glancing in the useless top mirror, nor over my shoulder. I do switch between rear camera and 360 camera though, but it varies between car brands if that's necessary. In the best implementations you see both at the same time.

camillomiller 3y ago

Well the new Polestar solved the problem… by removing the rear window altogether and slapping a camera in its place. Not joking, look it up!

mschuster91 3y ago
How the fuck is that even road legal?
- wizzzzzy 3y ago
  There's plenty of vans that don't have any rear windows
  - latchkey 3y ago
    My campervan (Promaster 2500) has rear windows, but it isn't like I can see anything out of them when I'm driving. Usually just leave them covered anyway.
- qup 3y ago
  I've only ever heard of a requirement for 2 mirrors. Those can be on the outside.
  - singleshot_ 3y ago
    Varies by state in the us. Some require two mirrors and one must be outside on the left. Some are similar but on the right. Some states you need two outside if the one inside is blocked.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
  because you can see what's behind you? Via the camera, but that's just a detail. It's possible to get _better_ visibility from a camera than a mirror. e.g. good placement, adapting to low light.
  - thevagrant 3y ago
    I've had plenty of car cameras glitch out or stop working.
    - stephencanon 3y ago
      To say nothing of getting crusted with road salt anytime you drive in winter.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
      I said that it's possible to get better. Not inevitable.
SideburnsOfDoom 3y ago
This is the Polestar 4 without the actual rear window https://uk.motor1.com/news/663436/why-polestar-4-has-no-rear-window/ https://uk.motor1.com/news/663436/why-polestar-4-has-no-rear... Aside, IDK if the Polestar 4 is "the new Polestar". The Polestar 2 is on the roads - I've seen them, and the 3 hasn't even shipped yet, now due in 2024: https://electrek.co/2023/05/11/polestar-delays-polestar-3-production-after-record-q1-deliveries/ https://electrek.co/2023/05/11/polestar-delays-polestar-3-pr... What does that make the 4? The one after the new one? The vapourware?

alkonaut 3y ago

You only need the rear view for keeping an eye on traffic behind while on the road, so basically the window should be the size of the FoV in your rear view mirror. For parking, I don't think I have looked at anything but cameras for the last 15 years. The camera is so much better than both looking backwards and using the center mirror. The rear window doesn't show the most important thing you want to see when parking: the area of ground closest to your car. Especially with 360 cameras because you can then "look" backwards without missing anything happening elsewhere. I definitely bought my last car without 360 cameras several years ago.

Gravityloss 3y ago
And kids running behind the car when reversing. Honestly, visibility is in the top five criteria for me (others include driver's seat, sound proofing and big boot lid). Parking sensors and cameras of course help but are they a total substitute?
- detaro 3y ago
  The kids case is one where camera has a clear benefit I'd say. Even if you have clear visibility to the rear window, you just can't see anything below the window height. And anyone coming from the sides you'd not see through the rear window either - but a very open vehicle might be a tad better through the side windows? Although with cameras being added to side mirrors or vehicle corners (and large screens!), that can also be expanded.
  - CalRobert 3y ago
    A good reason to have the windows down when reversing - at least then you have the benefit of hearing any kids behind you as well.
- alkonaut 3y ago
  Total substitute. And they have to be, because once you have them you ONLY look at the screen. There is no chance I'm even glancing in the useless top mirror, nor over my shoulder. I do switch between rear camera and 360 camera though, but it varies between car brands if that's necessary. In the best implementations you see both at the same time.