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I am not interested in anything Microsoft has to say about design. They haven't had a consistent OS UI since at least 2009. and they seem hell bent on removing

by 2h 3y ago

I am not interested in anything Microsoft has to say about design. They haven't had a consistent OS UI since at least 2009. and they seem hell bent on removing all vertical scroll bars, or reducing the size until they are pointless. why do you need to hide the vertical scrollbars, and even on hover they are 4 pixels wide? I have dual 27 inch monitors, I HAVE THE SCREEN SPACE. stop fucking up my shit.

citrin_ru 3y ago
Smartphones don’t have screen space and modern desktop UI design is influenced by phone UI (I don’t like it but probably someone does).
- 2h 3y ago
  its not a matter of liking it. at least on desktop, its objectively, scientifically bad: https://youtube.com/watch?v=E3gS9tjACwU https://youtube.com/watch?v=E3gS9tjACwU
eviks 3y ago
The small width on user trying to use it is inexcusable, but hiding is a nice option as in too many cases the scroll indicator is not very important to be that visible (it's cleaner UI, though that shouldn't be mandatory either)
- 2h 3y ago
  this doesn't hold water. on the exact website you are on right now, the frame has a maximum width, which my monitor is wider than. so the bars could easily be as wide or wider than they are on Windows 10: http://0x0.st/Hqxw.png http://0x0.st/Hqxw.png Windows 11 is about 1/3 the width of the above picture
  - eviks 3y ago
    it does, you just misunderstood the point. It doesn't matter if it fits, in your screenshot it serves no purpose as the page is not tall enough for me to ever use the scrollbar (and those tiny buttons at the top/bottom are another UI misfeature), so removing a useless UI element makes for a cleaner UI
    - trinix912 3y ago
      > and those tiny buttons at the top/bottom are another UI misfeature They're mostly a relic from back when mice didn't have a scroll wheel (think Windows 3.1-era times). Nowadays, some people use them on trackpads because they either don't know how to do a two-finger scroll or a specific trackpad's just too shitty to handle it.

by 2h 3y ago

citrin_ru 3y ago

Smartphones don’t have screen space and modern desktop UI design is influenced by phone UI (I don’t like it but probably someone does).

2h 3y ago
its not a matter of liking it. at least on desktop, its objectively, scientifically bad: https://youtube.com/watch?v=E3gS9tjACwU https://youtube.com/watch?v=E3gS9tjACwU

eviks 3y ago

The small width on user trying to use it is inexcusable, but hiding is a nice option as in too many cases the scroll indicator is not very important to be that visible (it's cleaner UI, though that shouldn't be mandatory either)

2h 3y ago
this doesn't hold water. on the exact website you are on right now, the frame has a maximum width, which my monitor is wider than. so the bars could easily be as wide or wider than they are on Windows 10: http://0x0.st/Hqxw.png http://0x0.st/Hqxw.png Windows 11 is about 1/3 the width of the above picture
- eviks 3y ago
  it does, you just misunderstood the point. It doesn't matter if it fits, in your screenshot it serves no purpose as the page is not tall enough for me to ever use the scrollbar (and those tiny buttons at the top/bottom are another UI misfeature), so removing a useless UI element makes for a cleaner UI
  - trinix912 3y ago
    > and those tiny buttons at the top/bottom are another UI misfeature They're mostly a relic from back when mice didn't have a scroll wheel (think Windows 3.1-era times). Nowadays, some people use them on trackpads because they either don't know how to do a two-finger scroll or a specific trackpad's just too shitty to handle it.