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I'd like to believe that but the tone I got from the story is that we shouldn't be using our local libraries. I'd hate the thought that I have checked out a bo

I'd like to believe that but the tone I got from the story is that we shouldn't be using our local libraries. I'd hate the thought that I have checked out a book I could otherwise afford to buy and deprived the use to someone that could not. Or that I am using a computer to read Hackernews that an ex-convict needs to use to apply for a government program to keep his grandson alive. Using the library deprives a slice of the pie to the very people that need it more than you. If you use the library and you can afford the alternative, then you are just as bad as the people that want to close it.

tptacek 15y ago
This simply isn't true. The library keeps stats on how many books are being loaned out, and when they drop, they lose an argument for funding the service. Meanwhile, the people who genuinely need the library don't need it to take books out; lending out books is a service that disproportionately helps people with the leisure time to develop a taste for reading books for pleasure.
- graeme 15y ago
  As the son of a librarian, I can confirm this is true. One library within my father's system cut all books below a certain circulation. They did not bother checking whether the books could be considered "important" by some other metric. So much scientific and classical work was gotten rid of.
  - tptacek 15y ago
    ... you're agreeing with me, right?
    - graeme 15y ago
      Oops, yes. I must learn to use pronouns more precisely...
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  - mechanical_fish 15y ago
    As the son of another librarian I can also confirm this is true, and point out that just today I overheard a children's librarian lamenting that her library just discarded all their Lloyd Alexander. "They just didn't circulate," she said with evident sorrow. So don't just use the library, use the specific bits of it that you want to keep. You are doing nobody any favors by letting it sit idle.
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- andrewem 15y ago
  Agreed. I recently went to the Boston Public Library to get a specific book that was supposed to be on the shelf. I couldn't find it so a librarian put in a request to have it found and held for me. She noticed that it had been checked out 6 times in the last year, which she said was a lot, and therefore if it couldn't be found they'd make sure to order another copy. (It was http://beinggeek.com/ http://beinggeek.com/, and it eventually turned up.)
- andrewem 15y ago
  I recently went to the Boston Public Library to get a specific book that was supposed to be on the shelf. I couldn't find it so a librarian put in a request to have it found and held for me. She noticed that it had been checked out 6 times in the last year, which she said was a lot, and therefore if it couldn't be found they'd make sure to order another copy. (It was http://beinggeek.com/ http://beinggeek.com/, and it eventually turned up.)
- pehrlich 15y ago
  Theres a second effect, too. When someone who has any resource in the world available to them goes to use the library, you can be damn sure they'll have standards. If libraries are only for those without other options, those who have seen what can be will not be there to demand improvement.
- mckoss 15y ago
  It's a sad commentary to think that the best way to improve the system is to pretend to use its services.

tptacek 15y ago

This simply isn't true. The library keeps stats on how many books are being loaned out, and when they drop, they lose an argument for funding the service. Meanwhile, the people who genuinely need the library don't need it to take books out; lending out books is a service that disproportionately helps people with the leisure time to develop a taste for reading books for pleasure.

graeme 15y ago
As the son of a librarian, I can confirm this is true. One library within my father's system cut all books below a certain circulation. They did not bother checking whether the books could be considered "important" by some other metric. So much scientific and classical work was gotten rid of.
- tptacek 15y ago
  ... you're agreeing with me, right?
  - graeme 15y ago
    Oops, yes. I must learn to use pronouns more precisely...
  - deleted 15y ago
    [deleted]
- mechanical_fish 15y ago
  As the son of another librarian I can also confirm this is true, and point out that just today I overheard a children's librarian lamenting that her library just discarded all their Lloyd Alexander. "They just didn't circulate," she said with evident sorrow. So don't just use the library, use the specific bits of it that you want to keep. You are doing nobody any favors by letting it sit idle.
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andrewem 15y ago
Agreed. I recently went to the Boston Public Library to get a specific book that was supposed to be on the shelf. I couldn't find it so a librarian put in a request to have it found and held for me. She noticed that it had been checked out 6 times in the last year, which she said was a lot, and therefore if it couldn't be found they'd make sure to order another copy. (It was http://beinggeek.com/ http://beinggeek.com/, and it eventually turned up.)
andrewem 15y ago
I recently went to the Boston Public Library to get a specific book that was supposed to be on the shelf. I couldn't find it so a librarian put in a request to have it found and held for me. She noticed that it had been checked out 6 times in the last year, which she said was a lot, and therefore if it couldn't be found they'd make sure to order another copy. (It was http://beinggeek.com/ http://beinggeek.com/, and it eventually turned up.)
pehrlich 15y ago
Theres a second effect, too. When someone who has any resource in the world available to them goes to use the library, you can be damn sure they'll have standards. If libraries are only for those without other options, those who have seen what can be will not be there to demand improvement.
mckoss 15y ago
It's a sad commentary to think that the best way to improve the system is to pretend to use its services.