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FWIW I've been driving German cars my whole life and never had one break. Never had to think about motor belts or engine filters - just visit a garage for plann

FWIW I've been driving German cars my whole life and never had one break. Never had to think about motor belts or engine filters - just visit a garage for planned maintenance every year or whatever miles the manual states. Tesla are an amazing company, that made EVs mainstream, but I'm never going to buy one. They don't know what the word "privacy" means.

pnpnp 3y ago
Counter point, I drove a new German car and had the turbo blow up (this was an "economy" car) within 4,000 miles. I still loved that car, but ICE engines have an order of magnitude more points of failure.
- borissk 3y ago
  True, but car industry has an order of magnitude more experience making ICE engines and turbo blow up on a new car is extremely rare. Doesn't really matter, obviously EVs are the future.
  - pnpnp 3y ago
    This thought just came to me, but industrial electric motors have been around a loooong time. I think the growing pains we are seeing is that new companies are trying to build cars, and don’t have the experience of traditional automakers. There’s a heck of a lot of institutional knowledge that goes into integrating all the components of a car. The newcomers have simplified a lot of it, but are definitely hitting some of the stumbling blocks of old.
- jerrysievert 3y ago
  I had my first two engines on my current car (2007, current engine 2013) replaced before finally having a reliable car (manufacturer paid for both replacements after noting there were defects and not anything I had done). some times stuff is just borked up until a certain point and some of us get unlucky with the quicker to die versions. sucks, but we need to look at the averages, not the outliers. * editing to add that I would still recommend my car make and model, because it's just so damned awesome, but I would hate for others to go through what I went through.
resolutebat 3y ago
For comparison, here's the Tesla maintenance schedule: none.
- borissk 3y ago
  Is that magic Tesla schedule or any EV schedule?
  - llsf 3y ago
    I think it is the goal for all EV companies. But for instance some had some mechanical issues that required recalls. And since most car manufacturers used 3rd party parts (Bosch, etc.) they cannot guarantee that there would be no recall (e.g. airbags, etc.). But so far my model 3 (April 2019) did not get a single recall. And during those 4 years I did not have to change anything but a flat tire. It is a peace of mind to know that there are so fewer ways to break the car, than with a ICE.
- postalrat 3y ago
  That's how they achieved the "least reliable" award.
- dingaling 3y ago
  Yet their Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty only extends for four years or 50,000 miles. EVs don't have mechanical drivetrains but they still have chassis and suspension which can cause many problems.

pnpnp 3y ago

Counter point, I drove a new German car and had the turbo blow up (this was an "economy" car) within 4,000 miles. I still loved that car, but ICE engines have an order of magnitude more points of failure.

borissk 3y ago
True, but car industry has an order of magnitude more experience making ICE engines and turbo blow up on a new car is extremely rare. Doesn't really matter, obviously EVs are the future.
- pnpnp 3y ago
  This thought just came to me, but industrial electric motors have been around a loooong time. I think the growing pains we are seeing is that new companies are trying to build cars, and don’t have the experience of traditional automakers. There’s a heck of a lot of institutional knowledge that goes into integrating all the components of a car. The newcomers have simplified a lot of it, but are definitely hitting some of the stumbling blocks of old.
jerrysievert 3y ago
I had my first two engines on my current car (2007, current engine 2013) replaced before finally having a reliable car (manufacturer paid for both replacements after noting there were defects and not anything I had done). some times stuff is just borked up until a certain point and some of us get unlucky with the quicker to die versions. sucks, but we need to look at the averages, not the outliers. * editing to add that I would still recommend my car make and model, because it's just so damned awesome, but I would hate for others to go through what I went through.

resolutebat 3y ago

For comparison, here's the Tesla maintenance schedule: none.

borissk 3y ago
Is that magic Tesla schedule or any EV schedule?
- llsf 3y ago
  I think it is the goal for all EV companies. But for instance some had some mechanical issues that required recalls. And since most car manufacturers used 3rd party parts (Bosch, etc.) they cannot guarantee that there would be no recall (e.g. airbags, etc.). But so far my model 3 (April 2019) did not get a single recall. And during those 4 years I did not have to change anything but a flat tire. It is a peace of mind to know that there are so fewer ways to break the car, than with a ICE.
postalrat 3y ago
That's how they achieved the "least reliable" award.
dingaling 3y ago
Yet their Basic Vehicle Limited Warranty only extends for four years or 50,000 miles. EVs don't have mechanical drivetrains but they still have chassis and suspension which can cause many problems.