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What’s your user agent with that browser?

by mattl 3y ago

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
Same as FireFox normal.
- mattl 3y ago
  Interesting. When I used Iceweasel it was different enough to break sites.
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    I'm guessing that was because Debian refused/wasn't able to sue the Firefox branding and they extended that to the user agent. So a ton of sites just saw Iceweasel as the UA and broke because it was unexpected.
    - mattl 3y ago
      Yeah I’m surprised more forks don’t have this issue. Maybe they’re too small for Mozilla to care.
      - lolinder 3y ago
        LibreWolf isn't strictly a fork of Firefox, it's a preconfigured installation that locks things down and disables anti-features. So it's strictly accurate to use the Firefox user agent, because that's what actually gets compiled.
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Wasn't the issue with the Iceweasel UA purely on Debian's end, them not like or agreeing to the Firefox terms? I don't think most forks would have that issue
        aragilar 3y ago
        No, it was a trademark issue, raised by Mozilla (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622) and seemingly resolved on their (Mozilla's) end (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006). For what it's worth, the recent Rust trademark issue seems to be of a similar vein (and the justifications around the Firefox sound like those used in Rust).
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Thanks for clarifying!
        account42 3y ago
        Can you provide any evidence that the User Agent name was a trademark issue. As in the name exposed to websites. Because that is the only thing that matters here and also where everyone claims to be a variant of Mozilla for compatibility.
      - aragilar 3y ago
        Mozilla apparently fixed this (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006) so it sounds like forks don't have that issue now?

5 ms·

What’s your user agent with that browser?

by mattl 3y ago

What’s your user agent with that browser?

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
Same as FireFox normal.
- mattl 3y ago
  Interesting. When I used Iceweasel it was different enough to break sites.
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    I'm guessing that was because Debian refused/wasn't able to sue the Firefox branding and they extended that to the user agent. So a ton of sites just saw Iceweasel as the UA and broke because it was unexpected.
    - mattl 3y ago
      Yeah I’m surprised more forks don’t have this issue. Maybe they’re too small for Mozilla to care.
      - lolinder 3y ago
        LibreWolf isn't strictly a fork of Firefox, it's a preconfigured installation that locks things down and disables anti-features. So it's strictly accurate to use the Firefox user agent, because that's what actually gets compiled.
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Wasn't the issue with the Iceweasel UA purely on Debian's end, them not like or agreeing to the Firefox terms? I don't think most forks would have that issue
        aragilar 3y ago
        No, it was a trademark issue, raised by Mozilla (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622) and seemingly resolved on their (Mozilla's) end (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006). For what it's worth, the recent Rust trademark issue seems to be of a similar vein (and the justifications around the Firefox sound like those used in Rust).
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Thanks for clarifying!
        account42 3y ago
        Can you provide any evidence that the User Agent name was a trademark issue. As in the name exposed to websites. Because that is the only thing that matters here and also where everyone claims to be a variant of Mozilla for compatibility.
      - aragilar 3y ago
        Mozilla apparently fixed this (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006) so it sounds like forks don't have that issue now?