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I switched to LibreWolf (A fork of Firefox with privacy enhancements and ublock preinstalled) and haven't had to deal with anything like this since.

mattl 3y ago
What’s your user agent with that browser?
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  Same as FireFox normal.
  - mattl 3y ago
    Interesting. When I used Iceweasel it was different enough to break sites.
    - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
      I'm guessing that was because Debian refused/wasn't able to sue the Firefox branding and they extended that to the user agent. So a ton of sites just saw Iceweasel as the UA and broke because it was unexpected.
      - mattl 3y ago
        Yeah I’m surprised more forks don’t have this issue. Maybe they’re too small for Mozilla to care.
        lolinder 3y ago
        LibreWolf isn't strictly a fork of Firefox, it's a preconfigured installation that locks things down and disables anti-features. So it's strictly accurate to use the Firefox user agent, because that's what actually gets compiled.
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Wasn't the issue with the Iceweasel UA purely on Debian's end, them not like or agreeing to the Firefox terms? I don't think most forks would have that issue
        aragilar 3y ago
        No, it was a trademark issue, raised by Mozilla (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622) and seemingly resolved on their (Mozilla's) end (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006). For what it's worth, the recent Rust trademark issue seems to be of a similar vein (and the justifications around the Firefox sound like those used in Rust).
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Thanks for clarifying!
        account42 3y ago
        Can you provide any evidence that the User Agent name was a trademark issue. As in the name exposed to websites. Because that is the only thing that matters here and also where everyone claims to be a variant of Mozilla for compatibility.
        aragilar 3y ago
        Mozilla apparently fixed this (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006) so it sounds like forks don't have that issue now?
ReadCarlBarks 3y ago
Just have in mind that some advanced privacy enhancements (like toggling privacy.resistFingerprinting) can break sites in random ways: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666160 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666160 .
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  privacy.resistFingerprinting is something I had to set to false in my user.js, but I had my own user.js with my own privacy settings anyway. The rest of the settings it provides are very good for a default though.
- account42 3y ago
  Breaking (shitty and user-hostile) websites by default is still a lot better than ignoring your privacy preferences and trying to psychologically manipulate you by default.
mikae1 3y ago
> I switched to Librefox You mean LibreWolf?
- PrimeMcFly 3y ago
  Yes, thanks. Fixed.

mattl 3y ago

What’s your user agent with that browser?

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
Same as FireFox normal.
- mattl 3y ago
  Interesting. When I used Iceweasel it was different enough to break sites.
  - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
    I'm guessing that was because Debian refused/wasn't able to sue the Firefox branding and they extended that to the user agent. So a ton of sites just saw Iceweasel as the UA and broke because it was unexpected.
    - mattl 3y ago
      Yeah I’m surprised more forks don’t have this issue. Maybe they’re too small for Mozilla to care.
      - lolinder 3y ago
        LibreWolf isn't strictly a fork of Firefox, it's a preconfigured installation that locks things down and disables anti-features. So it's strictly accurate to use the Firefox user agent, because that's what actually gets compiled.
      - PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Wasn't the issue with the Iceweasel UA purely on Debian's end, them not like or agreeing to the Firefox terms? I don't think most forks would have that issue
        aragilar 3y ago
        No, it was a trademark issue, raised by Mozilla (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622) and seemingly resolved on their (Mozilla's) end (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006). For what it's worth, the recent Rust trademark issue seems to be of a similar vein (and the justifications around the Firefox sound like those used in Rust).
        PrimeMcFly 3y ago
        Thanks for clarifying!
        account42 3y ago
        Can you provide any evidence that the User Agent name was a trademark issue. As in the name exposed to websites. Because that is the only thing that matters here and also where everyone claims to be a variant of Mozilla for compatibility.
      - aragilar 3y ago
        Mozilla apparently fixed this (https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006) so it sounds like forks don't have that issue now?

ReadCarlBarks 3y ago

Just have in mind that some advanced privacy enhancements (like toggling privacy.resistFingerprinting) can break sites in random ways: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666160 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1666160 .

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
privacy.resistFingerprinting is something I had to set to false in my user.js, but I had my own user.js with my own privacy settings anyway. The rest of the settings it provides are very good for a default though.
account42 3y ago
Breaking (shitty and user-hostile) websites by default is still a lot better than ignoring your privacy preferences and trying to psychologically manipulate you by default.

mikae1 3y ago

> I switched to Librefox You mean LibreWolf?

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
Yes, thanks. Fixed.