I agree with you. That's why my comment talked about objective quality, not subjective value. You are debating subjective value to my argument about objective q

I agree with you. That's why my comment talked about objective quality, not subjective value. You are debating subjective value to my argument about objective quality. If we are talking subjective value, then yes Tesla definitely wins. They have built so much subjective value that it overcomes their numerous faults.