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I treat them like the safest cars to be around. Because statistically, they are?

viraptor 3y ago
That's not proven as far as I know, unless you've got stats? (And not the stats from their website - those are not comparable)
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  > And not the stats from their website There is a reason it is said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Statistically, there's a ~7% chance I won't die because ~7% of all humans who have ever lived haven't died.
adversaryIdiot 3y ago
if you are on the inside at least... But yeah i think they tend to have better track records than human drivers.
ethbr0 3y ago
There's a difference between safety and consistency.
belorn 3y ago
According to statistics that Tesla publish. I would like to see mercedes publish their own statistics on their FSD. Given the tight constraints where they allow self driving, they could easily claim 100% safety record and thus infinitive more safe than any other manufacturer. It would be misleading, but statistically it would be the truth (any accidents could be said to be outside the constraint and thus will not count). Personally I would only really trust such statistics if insurance companies would reflect that in the premium. Somehow I doubt they would be willing to cut the fee based on what Tesla claims.
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  Can someone present evidence that Teslas are more expensive to insured than other comparable vehicles? Along with evidence that the difference is because of safety rather than cost of repairs?
  - olyjohn 3y ago
    Tesla has their own insurance because people were complaining about high rates. Why else would they come up with their own insurance?
    - kwhitefoot 3y ago
      > Why else would they come up with their own insurance? If they had evidence that their cars were less likely to be involved in accidents then it would pay them to set up an insurance company and charge just below the usual rates. Even if they are merely as safe as other cars then Tesla could provide insurance at lower prices because they need only break even and they have better statistics.
yumraj 3y ago
Citation needed, Musk’s tweet doesn’t qualify.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  Hope this link posted further down the thread does qualify though. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618
olyjohn 3y ago
That's not a great idea. The driver is still in control of the car and is no better than anybody else, and maybe even not paying attentnion because some think autopilot is self driving. You should treat all other traffic with the same defense.

That's not proven as far as I know, unless you've got stats? (And not the stats from their website - those are not comparable)

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
> And not the stats from their website There is a reason it is said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Statistically, there's a ~7% chance I won't die because ~7% of all humans who have ever lived haven't died.

adversaryIdiot 3y ago

if you are on the inside at least... But yeah i think they tend to have better track records than human drivers.

ethbr0 3y ago

There's a difference between safety and consistency.

belorn 3y ago

According to statistics that Tesla publish. I would like to see mercedes publish their own statistics on their FSD. Given the tight constraints where they allow self driving, they could easily claim 100% safety record and thus infinitive more safe than any other manufacturer. It would be misleading, but statistically it would be the truth (any accidents could be said to be outside the constraint and thus will not count). Personally I would only really trust such statistics if insurance companies would reflect that in the premium. Somehow I doubt they would be willing to cut the fee based on what Tesla claims.

kwhitefoot 3y ago
Can someone present evidence that Teslas are more expensive to insured than other comparable vehicles? Along with evidence that the difference is because of safety rather than cost of repairs?
- olyjohn 3y ago
  Tesla has their own insurance because people were complaining about high rates. Why else would they come up with their own insurance?
  - kwhitefoot 3y ago
    > Why else would they come up with their own insurance? If they had evidence that their cars were less likely to be involved in accidents then it would pay them to set up an insurance company and charge just below the usual rates. Even if they are merely as safe as other cars then Tesla could provide insurance at lower prices because they need only break even and they have better statistics.

yumraj 3y ago

Citation needed, Musk’s tweet doesn’t qualify.

mardifoufs 3y ago
Hope this link posted further down the thread does qualify though. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618

olyjohn 3y ago

That's not a great idea. The driver is still in control of the car and is no better than anybody else, and maybe even not paying attentnion because some think autopilot is self driving. You should treat all other traffic with the same defense.