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I treat them like semi-trucks on the highway. Pass them or let them pass you, but don't loiter alongside, behind or in front of one.

bboygravity 3y ago
I treat them like the safest cars to be around. Because statistically, they are?
- viraptor 3y ago
  That's not proven as far as I know, unless you've got stats? (And not the stats from their website - those are not comparable)
  - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
    > And not the stats from their website There is a reason it is said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Statistically, there's a ~7% chance I won't die because ~7% of all humans who have ever lived haven't died.
- adversaryIdiot 3y ago
  if you are on the inside at least... But yeah i think they tend to have better track records than human drivers.
- ethbr0 3y ago
  There's a difference between safety and consistency.
- belorn 3y ago
  According to statistics that Tesla publish. I would like to see mercedes publish their own statistics on their FSD. Given the tight constraints where they allow self driving, they could easily claim 100% safety record and thus infinitive more safe than any other manufacturer. It would be misleading, but statistically it would be the truth (any accidents could be said to be outside the constraint and thus will not count). Personally I would only really trust such statistics if insurance companies would reflect that in the premium. Somehow I doubt they would be willing to cut the fee based on what Tesla claims.
  - kwhitefoot 3y ago
    Can someone present evidence that Teslas are more expensive to insured than other comparable vehicles? Along with evidence that the difference is because of safety rather than cost of repairs?
    - olyjohn 3y ago
      Tesla has their own insurance because people were complaining about high rates. Why else would they come up with their own insurance?
      - kwhitefoot 3y ago
        > Why else would they come up with their own insurance? If they had evidence that their cars were less likely to be involved in accidents then it would pay them to set up an insurance company and charge just below the usual rates. Even if they are merely as safe as other cars then Tesla could provide insurance at lower prices because they need only break even and they have better statistics.
- yumraj 3y ago
  Citation needed, Musk’s tweet doesn’t qualify.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    Hope this link posted further down the thread does qualify though. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618
- olyjohn 3y ago
  That's not a great idea. The driver is still in control of the car and is no better than anybody else, and maybe even not paying attentnion because some think autopilot is self driving. You should treat all other traffic with the same defense.
valine 3y ago
Why are you loitering beside other cars? This is a good safety practice regardless of the car’s make and model.
- pc86 3y ago
  It's a shame this is getting downvoted because it's true. In any level of traffic except stop-and-go--and even then to a large extent--you should be doing everything within your power to either pass the cars on your right, and/or move over to let cars pass you on the left. It is a vanishingly small number of scenarios where you are keeping pace with a car next to you and you're not in the wrong. This isn't just at high speed or on highways, any two-land road operates (or is designed to operate) this way.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    That's not the same everywhere in the world though, and even in places where it is strictly passing on the left (or on the right in the UK, Japan and a few other places) 'keep your lane' tends to be the rule if the right hand lane is also moving at the speed limit (so you can't legally pass). That way the carrying capacity of the road is higher. But when traffic is less dense 'station keeping' should be avoided at all times and if someone moves into my 'dead zone' or just to the left of me I'll gradually slow down to force them to finish their overtake.
    - withinboredom 3y ago
      > 'keep your lane' tends to be the rule if the right hand lane is also moving at the speed limit (so you can't legally pass). Why are you in the lefter lane if you can't pass? I've been in rush hour (where keep-to-the-right-unless-passing is very strictly enforced) in bumper-to-bumper traffic and the left two (out of 6) are completely empty and everyone is doing 'around' the speed limit. Some are in the right lane doing a few below the limit, some are in the left-most lane doing a few above. Occasionally, someone who is late to work, emergency services, or whatever goes flying by in one of the left-most lanes.

bboygravity 3y ago

I treat them like the safest cars to be around. Because statistically, they are?

viraptor 3y ago
That's not proven as far as I know, unless you've got stats? (And not the stats from their website - those are not comparable)
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 3y ago
  > And not the stats from their website There is a reason it is said, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics." Statistically, there's a ~7% chance I won't die because ~7% of all humans who have ever lived haven't died.
adversaryIdiot 3y ago
if you are on the inside at least... But yeah i think they tend to have better track records than human drivers.
ethbr0 3y ago
There's a difference between safety and consistency.
belorn 3y ago
According to statistics that Tesla publish. I would like to see mercedes publish their own statistics on their FSD. Given the tight constraints where they allow self driving, they could easily claim 100% safety record and thus infinitive more safe than any other manufacturer. It would be misleading, but statistically it would be the truth (any accidents could be said to be outside the constraint and thus will not count). Personally I would only really trust such statistics if insurance companies would reflect that in the premium. Somehow I doubt they would be willing to cut the fee based on what Tesla claims.
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  Can someone present evidence that Teslas are more expensive to insured than other comparable vehicles? Along with evidence that the difference is because of safety rather than cost of repairs?
  - olyjohn 3y ago
    Tesla has their own insurance because people were complaining about high rates. Why else would they come up with their own insurance?
    - kwhitefoot 3y ago
      > Why else would they come up with their own insurance? If they had evidence that their cars were less likely to be involved in accidents then it would pay them to set up an insurance company and charge just below the usual rates. Even if they are merely as safe as other cars then Tesla could provide insurance at lower prices because they need only break even and they have better statistics.
yumraj 3y ago
Citation needed, Musk’s tweet doesn’t qualify.
- mardifoufs 3y ago
  Hope this link posted further down the thread does qualify though. https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618 https://www.euroncap.com/en/results/tesla/model+y/46618
olyjohn 3y ago
That's not a great idea. The driver is still in control of the car and is no better than anybody else, and maybe even not paying attentnion because some think autopilot is self driving. You should treat all other traffic with the same defense.

valine 3y ago

Why are you loitering beside other cars? This is a good safety practice regardless of the car’s make and model.

pc86 3y ago
It's a shame this is getting downvoted because it's true. In any level of traffic except stop-and-go--and even then to a large extent--you should be doing everything within your power to either pass the cars on your right, and/or move over to let cars pass you on the left. It is a vanishingly small number of scenarios where you are keeping pace with a car next to you and you're not in the wrong. This isn't just at high speed or on highways, any two-land road operates (or is designed to operate) this way.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  That's not the same everywhere in the world though, and even in places where it is strictly passing on the left (or on the right in the UK, Japan and a few other places) 'keep your lane' tends to be the rule if the right hand lane is also moving at the speed limit (so you can't legally pass). That way the carrying capacity of the road is higher. But when traffic is less dense 'station keeping' should be avoided at all times and if someone moves into my 'dead zone' or just to the left of me I'll gradually slow down to force them to finish their overtake.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    > 'keep your lane' tends to be the rule if the right hand lane is also moving at the speed limit (so you can't legally pass). Why are you in the lefter lane if you can't pass? I've been in rush hour (where keep-to-the-right-unless-passing is very strictly enforced) in bumper-to-bumper traffic and the left two (out of 6) are completely empty and everyone is doing 'around' the speed limit. Some are in the right lane doing a few below the limit, some are in the left-most lane doing a few above. Occasionally, someone who is late to work, emergency services, or whatever goes flying by in one of the left-most lanes.