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jacquesm 3y ago
I'm perfectly fine with that. It's not as if OpenAI is going to be the sole supplier even if they have a head start today.
- junofan 3y ago
  These models are useful enough that people are fine accessing them through VPNs. It doesn’t seem like a big deal to geoblock the EU.
  - anankaie 3y ago
    The problem is when third-party (to OpenAI, and I include Microsoft here, for the purposes if this comment) companies try to build on top of this product - they will not be able to launch products on top of it in the EU either (unless they do a weird user-initiated transfer of data to the US, process it, and return the result. Even then, the EU has been experimenting with trying to claim sovereignty over income from outside the EU for non-EU-based multi-nationals, so they could concert ivably target this "workaround". It remains to be seen whether the USA will attempt to persuade them to remember how Westphalian sovereignty works, or I'd the US government decides to match them and start targeting foreign companies' foreign turnover in applying remedies.
    - latency-guy2 3y ago
      All I want is for the US to vassalize EU, not because I'm against the EU (I am), but because it'll be funny. If by economic growth rates from 2000 onwards, I think that could be achievable a few decades after I'm dead. I wonder if anyone would like to make a long term bet with me
- revelio 3y ago
  Currently they're the sole supplier of GPT-4 quality models, and the only competitors on the horizon are also US startups to whom the same regulations would apply. It's perfectly possible that given a choice between spending mental bandwidth on competing with OpenAI in the USA or dicking around with trying to please un-pleasable Eurocrats, they'll all decide to punt the EU to later. I've been warning about this on various places on the net since the start of GDPR. It's never been a popular message, but the idea you can just repeatedly and indefinitely levy huge fines on US corps without eventual blowback was never sensible. Whilst the class of the 2000-2010 era, the Googles and Facebooks, might not leave due to large employee bases there, the class of the 2020s are a different matter entirely. It's not even just about access: do you think OpenAI will be in any hurry to hire people in any EU country now? I just hope if/when that happens they remember that not every country in Europe is in the EU. Hopefully the UK, Switzerland, Norway etc are kept properly separated.

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I'm perfectly fine with that. It's not as if OpenAI is going to be the sole supplier even if they have a head start today.

junofan 3y ago
These models are useful enough that people are fine accessing them through VPNs. It doesn’t seem like a big deal to geoblock the EU.
- anankaie 3y ago
  The problem is when third-party (to OpenAI, and I include Microsoft here, for the purposes if this comment) companies try to build on top of this product - they will not be able to launch products on top of it in the EU either (unless they do a weird user-initiated transfer of data to the US, process it, and return the result. Even then, the EU has been experimenting with trying to claim sovereignty over income from outside the EU for non-EU-based multi-nationals, so they could concert ivably target this "workaround". It remains to be seen whether the USA will attempt to persuade them to remember how Westphalian sovereignty works, or I'd the US government decides to match them and start targeting foreign companies' foreign turnover in applying remedies.
  - latency-guy2 3y ago
    All I want is for the US to vassalize EU, not because I'm against the EU (I am), but because it'll be funny. If by economic growth rates from 2000 onwards, I think that could be achievable a few decades after I'm dead. I wonder if anyone would like to make a long term bet with me
revelio 3y ago
Currently they're the sole supplier of GPT-4 quality models, and the only competitors on the horizon are also US startups to whom the same regulations would apply. It's perfectly possible that given a choice between spending mental bandwidth on competing with OpenAI in the USA or dicking around with trying to please un-pleasable Eurocrats, they'll all decide to punt the EU to later. I've been warning about this on various places on the net since the start of GDPR. It's never been a popular message, but the idea you can just repeatedly and indefinitely levy huge fines on US corps without eventual blowback was never sensible. Whilst the class of the 2000-2010 era, the Googles and Facebooks, might not leave due to large employee bases there, the class of the 2020s are a different matter entirely. It's not even just about access: do you think OpenAI will be in any hurry to hire people in any EU country now? I just hope if/when that happens they remember that not every country in Europe is in the EU. Hopefully the UK, Switzerland, Norway etc are kept properly separated.