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My favorite is still the "Fallacy fallacy" aka "Argument from fallacy". From my understanding it's very difficult to make a good faith debate without one of th
by thewataccount 3y ago
My favorite is still the "Fallacy fallacy" aka "Argument from fallacy".
From my understanding it's very difficult to make a good faith debate without one of the bajillion fallacy's being applicable somewhere.
Is there a name for the difficulty of making a debate without any single fallacy?
- gpderetta 3y agoFallacy Fallacy Fallacy?
- xg15 3y agoI see the same problem with the various lists of cognitive biases, rethoric devices, etc. I think the trick is to see them as patterns which should allow you to more easily construct a counter argument - instead of pretending that merely pointing out the pattern itself would already be enough to disqualify the argument. e.g., in the examples from the "perfect solution" section, they didn't just shut down the discussion with "well, that's a Perfect Solution Fallacy, so your argument is invalid!", they actually explained in each case, why a non-perfect solution is still desirable. You could compare it with chess: An opponent is absolutely allowed to leave a piece vulnerable and you don't get an automatic win by just pointing out a bad position - you only get an advantage if you actually take the piece.
- Natsu 3y agoThis is very much the better way to do things, because it leaves both sides better informed instead of playing out like someone shouting "you triggered my trap card!" in a game.
- avgcorrection 3y agoMost “fallacies” are informal and rhetorical and not direct logical fallacies. Almost no one will say that X is not perfect, therefore it can be discarded. But plenty will focus their argumentation on how X is not perfect and leave the implication on the table that X is not worth bothering with.