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OpenAI CEO's threat to quit EU draws lawmaker backlash
- jacquesm 3y agoThat bluff deserves to be called.
- umeshunni 3y agoIn both directions
- jacquesm 3y agoI'm perfectly fine with that. It's not as if OpenAI is going to be the sole supplier even if they have a head start today.
- junofan 3y agoThese models are useful enough that people are fine accessing them through VPNs. It doesn’t seem like a big deal to geoblock the EU.
- anankaie 3y agoThe problem is when third-party (to OpenAI, and I include Microsoft here, for the purposes if this comment) companies try to build on top of this product - they will not be able to launch products on top of it in the EU either (unless they do a weird user-initiated transfer of data to the US, process it, and return the result. Even then, the EU has been experimenting with trying to claim sovereignty over income from outside the EU for non-EU-based multi-nationals, so they could concert ivably target this "workaround". It remains to be seen whether the USA will attempt to persuade them to remember how Westphalian sovereignty works, or I'd the US government decides to match them and start targeting foreign companies' foreign turnover in applying remedies.
- latency-guy2 3y agoAll I want is for the US to vassalize EU, not because I'm against the EU (I am), but because it'll be funny. If by economic growth rates from 2000 onwards, I think that could be achievable a few decades after I'm dead. I wonder if anyone would like to make a long term bet with me
- revelio 3y agoCurrently they're the sole supplier of GPT-4 quality models, and the only competitors on the horizon are also US startups to whom the same regulations would apply. It's perfectly possible that given a choice between spending mental bandwidth on competing with OpenAI in the USA or dicking around with trying to please un-pleasable Eurocrats, they'll all decide to punt the EU to later. I've been warning about this on various places on the net since the start of GDPR. It's never been a popular message, but the idea you can just repeatedly and indefinitely levy huge fines on US corps without eventual blowback was never sensible. Whilst the class of the 2000-2010 era, the Googles and Facebooks, might not leave due to large employee bases there, the class of the 2020s are a different matter entirely. It's not even just about access: do you think OpenAI will be in any hurry to hire people in any EU country now? I just hope if/when that happens they remember that not every country in Europe is in the EU. Hopefully the UK, Switzerland, Norway etc are kept properly separated.
- pipes 3y agoIf the wheel was invented today we'd ban it before it put sedan chair workers at risk.
- leobg 3y agoI’m wondering if OpenAI will even be still relevant once this legislation is in place. I’m not convinced that they won’t. But I think it’s also not a certainty anymore, with all these amazing breakthroughs coming out every week or so.
- exeldapp 3y agoSounds like his talking backfired. "We need to regulate AI! No, not that much!" There's no way OpenAI will quit EU and leave it for competitors to take, easy bluff to call. The whole thing makes it seem like the desire for AI-related regulation isn't ethics motivated and is instead only trying to make it harder for competition to start.
- jacquesm 3y agoPrecisely, it's a very transparent attempt at regulatory capture. Utterly disgusting.
- skybrian 3y agoBard isn’t available in the EU or Canada, so there’s one competitor they don’t need to worry about. That doesn’t seem to be a bluff? Perhaps people will learn to use VPN’s like some US folks did for cryptocurrency exchanges? Or maybe it will be a boost for an open source project that gets a reputation for reliability. (Well, reliable for an AI chatbot, which is not very reliable by most standards.)
- rlayton2 3y agoFor all of Microsoft's flaws, they typically are good at working with regulators and ticking the boxes needed to get into a market like EU. It's unsurprising that Bard isn't there yet, as the whole field has moved at "faster than large corp/government" speeds but I don't imagine MS will stay out of those markets for long.
- usernew 3y agoWhat exactly does "quit EU" mean. They make an app that connects over the internet. Anyone including businesses, are free to use their money how they see fit by paying for a service that runs in a another country. All the EU can do here is get rid of the business and infrastructure presence of this company in the EU. Getting rid of jobs and tax revenue. They can also do a China and prosecute their own citizens for trying to access things they want on the internet. There doesn't need to be Any "AI-related regulation." There's nothing specific or magical or new about "AI" that's not covered by current law. What it does look like to me, is the government couldn't press some authoritarian laws, so they slapped "AI" on it to mislead and misdirect their voters. Nothing backfired, it wasn't a shot or a bluff. It was a statement that if they pass draconian laws, their citizens will have to buy the product online with their visa card without paying VAT. Funnily enough, the EU guy who is leading this and doubling down, is Romanian. I've had some friends from that country and been there a few times. It's not a place I would think of when I think honest regulatory body, ethics, or bleeding edge technology. It definitely is a place I think of when I imagine a peacock puffing its feathers, a tiny monkey hitting it's chest, and a drunk idiot with low IQ doubling down till the grave.
- gumballindie 3y agoOne can only hope. What was he even doing talking to so many government leaders? Did he imagine they’d all fall for cheap fud and embrace copyright theft overnight?
- afpx 3y agoSlow down progress for 5.8 billion people so that 400 million feel protected.
- lnxg33k1 3y agoIt's people that goes bankrupt for some medical procedure, that makes their kids get shot at school for some freedom fetish, and with a insane wealth hunting culture, as a european I would hardly care about the needs of americans or the rest of child employing wastelands
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- diebeforei485 3y agoEU regulations are basically a full employment program for VPN engineers.
- flangola7 3y agoVPNs will be illegal in the US soon
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> VPNs will be illegal in the US soon No, they won't.
- oschvr 3y agoWhat makes you say that ?
- pkaye 3y agoDoes OpenAI have all the technology to implement the EU AI regulations?
- june_twenty 3y agoAltman seems inexperienced for this type of role. I guess he didn't really expect OpenAI to be the leader of the AI race. Hopefully strong competition comes along soon.
- jossclimb 3y agoand hopefully unlike openAI it really is open this time.
- danielmarkbruce 3y agoIt's easy to say that, but who would make a better candidate? It's a very weird and unique situation he/they are in. He just looks young, he's been around the block a couple times.
- june_twenty 3y agoAgreed. I hope there is competition so there's not just one person, alone.
- mensetmanusman 3y agoStrong competition means FAANG wins.
- segmondy 3y agoDo you understand that NN is not like rows in database. The machine can't unlearn what it has learned. You can't make AI unlearn something. They are going to ingest large amounts of data and trying to stop it is going to be nothing more but layering endless filter in front of it. Unfortunately or fortunately, it can be prompt broken. So if they try to abide and still fail, they will be fined enormously. See Meta & Google for example. This is about leverage. OpenAI has leverage and I'm happy to see a leader have balls. Let EU go back into the stone age if that's their wish.
- gumballindie 3y agoSo lets just change laws to accommodate an unethical data model from a corporation pushing techno feudalism?
- meghan_rain 3y agoRegulatory capture
- ittseta 3y agoSouth Korea regulates porn sites, but the regulation shrinks the alternatives, and traffic using VPNs is maintained. Sounds similar