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People switching from Android to iOS for privacy reasons seems myopic to me. Apple is, ultimately, a company. There is no such thing as them “making enough mone

People switching from Android to iOS for privacy reasons seems myopic to me. Apple is, ultimately, a company. There is no such thing as them “making enough money.” If they can double-dip by both selling data and selling hardware, they will. It's not a matter of if, but when. De-Googled Android is objectively a more privacy-friendly option than iOS.

CharlesW 3y ago
> People switching from Android to iOS for privacy reasons seems myopic to me. Apple is, ultimately, a company. They're not the same. Google generates ~80% of its revenue from an ads product built on user data. Apple has an ad product which generates ~5% of its revenue (mostly from App Store ads), collects far less info¹, does not share user info with third parties, and lets users turn off personalized ad targeting with a simple toggle². ¹ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertising/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertisin... ² https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074
- NewJazz 3y ago
  Nobody said they were the same, just pointing out in the end both will pursue the ad market.
  - CharlesW 3y ago
    My point is that Google's business model is intrinsically privacy-eroding¹, and Apple's business model is (for the foreseeable future) privacy-supporting¹. This is not to claim that Apple is "good", but that privacy is good business to Apple and is odious to Google. This is why switching is not myopic, in my estimation. ¹ (because that behavior supports their primary sources of revenue)
    - lmm 3y ago
      Both of them are trying to make as much money as they can from hardware and ads. Currently Apple is doing better at one and Google is doing better at the other, but that seems like a contingent fact rather than a deep difference.
- bioemerl 3y ago
  > Google generates ~80% of its revenue from an ads product built on user data And apple will chase that revenue if it sees the opportunity. With their control over iOS devices, when they do, you'll be powerless to stop them.
- 7jjjjjjj 3y ago
  Stock Android < iOS < Degoogled Android
  - hedora 3y ago
    I tried graphene for a while, and degoogled basically doesn’t work. It almost works, but app developers don’t test with it, and also constantly push updates. The end result is that you never know which app is going to null pointer exception on startup this week (looking for unnecessary, but missing services), or which one will hellban your account for fraud false positives. Also, for anything that wants google services, reading lat/long from the GPS is flaky at best. (Usually works, but sometimes puts you at a location from last week.)
lost_tourist 3y ago
it's also a lot more work. I have other interests than maintaining a degoogled phone and worrying if my banking app or trading app is going to fail in the middle of a transaction. Apple is a compromise for now.

CharlesW 3y ago

> People switching from Android to iOS for privacy reasons seems myopic to me. Apple is, ultimately, a company. They're not the same. Google generates ~80% of its revenue from an ads product built on user data. Apple has an ad product which generates ~5% of its revenue (mostly from App Store ads), collects far less info¹, does not share user info with third parties, and lets users turn off personalized ad targeting with a simple toggle². ¹ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertising/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertisin... ² https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074

NewJazz 3y ago
Nobody said they were the same, just pointing out in the end both will pursue the ad market.
- CharlesW 3y ago
  My point is that Google's business model is intrinsically privacy-eroding¹, and Apple's business model is (for the foreseeable future) privacy-supporting¹. This is not to claim that Apple is "good", but that privacy is good business to Apple and is odious to Google. This is why switching is not myopic, in my estimation. ¹ (because that behavior supports their primary sources of revenue)
  - lmm 3y ago
    Both of them are trying to make as much money as they can from hardware and ads. Currently Apple is doing better at one and Google is doing better at the other, but that seems like a contingent fact rather than a deep difference.
bioemerl 3y ago
> Google generates ~80% of its revenue from an ads product built on user data And apple will chase that revenue if it sees the opportunity. With their control over iOS devices, when they do, you'll be powerless to stop them.
7jjjjjjj 3y ago
Stock Android < iOS < Degoogled Android
- hedora 3y ago
  I tried graphene for a while, and degoogled basically doesn’t work. It almost works, but app developers don’t test with it, and also constantly push updates. The end result is that you never know which app is going to null pointer exception on startup this week (looking for unnecessary, but missing services), or which one will hellban your account for fraud false positives. Also, for anything that wants google services, reading lat/long from the GPS is flaky at best. (Usually works, but sometimes puts you at a location from last week.)

lost_tourist 3y ago

it's also a lot more work. I have other interests than maintaining a degoogled phone and worrying if my banking app or trading app is going to fail in the middle of a transaction. Apple is a compromise for now.