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I don't know when it started but I had the same issue on a Samsung tablet yesterday afternoon. If Google permanently blocks access to the Play Store from Aurora

by mikece 3y ago

I don't know when it started but I had the same issue on a Samsung tablet yesterday afternoon. If Google permanently blocks access to the Play Store from Aurora then that will be sufficient for me to finally spend the money to get an iPad.

jeroenhd 3y ago
I get that you want to send a message, but what problem does moving to iOS solve? You have the same restrictions, in fact even worse ones, with way fewer options for accountless downloads.
- lost_tourist 3y ago
  iOS doesn't spy on you nearly as much google. They also don't sell your data to 3rd parties for a couple of pennies. They have their issues but google absolutely data mines everything on your phone to sell to their clients
- mikece 3y ago
  I am less concerned that Apple will exploit my data because they make plenty on the hardware; in the case of Android gear Google's whole point is exploit any data they can for profit. I have few use cases for a tablet as it is (photography being the big one: Canon Camera Connect) so if Google makes it impossible to get/update that app I'll just switch platforms. (If not an iPad then perhaps a laptop but that's far more bulky to take on a photo shoot.)
  - Stiffly6471 3y ago
    The part where you said:"I am less concerned that Apple will exploit my data because they make plenty on the hardware." feels like such a naive way to think about Apple. This is what Forbes had to say about it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2021/10/19/apples-ad-network-is-the-biggest-beneficiary-of-apples-new-marketing-rules-report/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2021/10/19/apples-...
    - TylerE 3y ago
      Be vary vary vary wary. This dude (like most Forbes contributors) is a lifestyle CEO/"media consultant" just shilling his own bags.
      - yosito 3y ago
        Verily, various variants of vary are very varied.
  - malicka 3y ago
    People switching from Android to iOS for privacy reasons seems myopic to me. Apple is, ultimately, a company. There is no such thing as them “making enough money.” If they can double-dip by both selling data and selling hardware, they will. It's not a matter of if, but when. De-Googled Android is objectively a more privacy-friendly option than iOS.
    - CharlesW 3y ago
      > People switching from Android to iOS for privacy reasons seems myopic to me. Apple is, ultimately, a company. They're not the same. Google generates ~80% of its revenue from an ads product built on user data. Apple has an ad product which generates ~5% of its revenue (mostly from App Store ads), collects far less info¹, does not share user info with third parties, and lets users turn off personalized ad targeting with a simple toggle². ¹ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertising/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertisin... ² https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074
      - NewJazz 3y ago
        Nobody said they were the same, just pointing out in the end both will pursue the ad market.
        CharlesW 3y ago
        My point is that Google's business model is intrinsically privacy-eroding¹, and Apple's business model is (for the foreseeable future) privacy-supporting¹. This is not to claim that Apple is "good", but that privacy is good business to Apple and is odious to Google. This is why switching is not myopic, in my estimation. ¹ (because that behavior supports their primary sources of revenue)
        lmm 3y ago
        Both of them are trying to make as much money as they can from hardware and ads. Currently Apple is doing better at one and Google is doing better at the other, but that seems like a contingent fact rather than a deep difference.
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worik 3y ago
> . If Google permanently blocks access to the Play Store from Aurora then that will be sufficient for me to finally spend the money to get an iPad. Google is a clumsy puppy compared to Apple. Good luck making a client for the iOS play store. It would be funny, if not for the fact that this duopoly is a dreadful break on innovation in the mobile software space. It is tragic
- usernew 3y ago
  I'm seriously not getting this POV, which I see a lot. Yes, some apps are only available in the play store, and the maker of them does not publish them anywhere else. How's that google's fault again? Are you mad at Twitter because Starbucks doesn't sell their coffee there? There is no vendor "duopoly" between google and apple. There are about a thousand flavors of Android, and a bunch of phone makers - and google isn't even the top Android seller. The only one I've used with a play store was for like a year in 2010. There is a technology duopoly, but the technology part has nothing to do with google. Much like there's no triopoly between windows/macos/linux. Because "Linux" is not a vendor. Linux is like "car," not like "Toyota." Windows is like "bicycle with lawnmower engine held on with duct tape." Macos is like "you're eating this absolute shit, and it does taste good"
  - lmm 3y ago
    > Yes, some apps are only available in the play store, and the maker of them does not publish them anywhere else. How's that google's fault again? Are you mad at Twitter because Starbucks doesn't sell their coffee there? I can buy from Starbucks anonymously, or give my friend money to buy something for me. If they're calling it a "store" then that comes with an implication that you don't have to consent to being creeped on to get stuff from there. They also did a bait-and-switch where they initially touted android's openness, but then moved an increasing amount of core functionality into google play services and encouraged app makers to depend on that. > There is no vendor "duopoly" between google and apple. There are about a thousand flavors of Android, and a bunch of phone makers - and google isn't even the top Android seller. The only one I've used with a play store was for like a year in 2010. There is absolutely an app store duopoly - it's a different duopoly in China than the rest of the world, but that's a distraction. The fact that they're able to sustain their 30% cut shows how much market power they have.
josephcsible 3y ago
That feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face, since iOS is still way more locked down than Android. If your employer cut your salary from $100k to $90k, would you respond by quitting and going to work somewhere else for $50k?
- Aachen 3y ago
  Per another comment, and keeping with your analogy, they think the work at the 50k$ employer is nicer | that Apple isn't as evil as Google. Not saying they're right or wrong, but that's valid logic if true. Personally I find the other ways in which you get locked down+in to already be so not worth it that it's not even a question I've needed to consider.

by mikece 3y ago

jeroenhd 3y ago

I get that you want to send a message, but what problem does moving to iOS solve? You have the same restrictions, in fact even worse ones, with way fewer options for accountless downloads.

lost_tourist 3y ago
iOS doesn't spy on you nearly as much google. They also don't sell your data to 3rd parties for a couple of pennies. They have their issues but google absolutely data mines everything on your phone to sell to their clients
mikece 3y ago
I am less concerned that Apple will exploit my data because they make plenty on the hardware; in the case of Android gear Google's whole point is exploit any data they can for profit. I have few use cases for a tablet as it is (photography being the big one: Canon Camera Connect) so if Google makes it impossible to get/update that app I'll just switch platforms. (If not an iPad then perhaps a laptop but that's far more bulky to take on a photo shoot.)
- Stiffly6471 3y ago
  The part where you said:"I am less concerned that Apple will exploit my data because they make plenty on the hardware." feels like such a naive way to think about Apple. This is what Forbes had to say about it: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2021/10/19/apples-ad-network-is-the-biggest-beneficiary-of-apples-new-marketing-rules-report/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2021/10/19/apples-...
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Be vary vary vary wary. This dude (like most Forbes contributors) is a lifestyle CEO/"media consultant" just shilling his own bags.
    - yosito 3y ago
      Verily, various variants of vary are very varied.
- malicka 3y ago
  People switching from Android to iOS for privacy reasons seems myopic to me. Apple is, ultimately, a company. There is no such thing as them “making enough money.” If they can double-dip by both selling data and selling hardware, they will. It's not a matter of if, but when. De-Googled Android is objectively a more privacy-friendly option than iOS.
  - CharlesW 3y ago
    > People switching from Android to iOS for privacy reasons seems myopic to me. Apple is, ultimately, a company. They're not the same. Google generates ~80% of its revenue from an ads product built on user data. Apple has an ad product which generates ~5% of its revenue (mostly from App Store ads), collects far less info¹, does not share user info with third parties, and lets users turn off personalized ad targeting with a simple toggle². ¹ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertising/ https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-advertisin... ² https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202074
    - NewJazz 3y ago
      Nobody said they were the same, just pointing out in the end both will pursue the ad market.
      - CharlesW 3y ago
        My point is that Google's business model is intrinsically privacy-eroding¹, and Apple's business model is (for the foreseeable future) privacy-supporting¹. This is not to claim that Apple is "good", but that privacy is good business to Apple and is odious to Google. This is why switching is not myopic, in my estimation. ¹ (because that behavior supports their primary sources of revenue)
        lmm 3y ago
        Both of them are trying to make as much money as they can from hardware and ads. Currently Apple is doing better at one and Google is doing better at the other, but that seems like a contingent fact rather than a deep difference.
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worik 3y ago

> . If Google permanently blocks access to the Play Store from Aurora then that will be sufficient for me to finally spend the money to get an iPad. Google is a clumsy puppy compared to Apple. Good luck making a client for the iOS play store. It would be funny, if not for the fact that this duopoly is a dreadful break on innovation in the mobile software space. It is tragic

usernew 3y ago
I'm seriously not getting this POV, which I see a lot. Yes, some apps are only available in the play store, and the maker of them does not publish them anywhere else. How's that google's fault again? Are you mad at Twitter because Starbucks doesn't sell their coffee there? There is no vendor "duopoly" between google and apple. There are about a thousand flavors of Android, and a bunch of phone makers - and google isn't even the top Android seller. The only one I've used with a play store was for like a year in 2010. There is a technology duopoly, but the technology part has nothing to do with google. Much like there's no triopoly between windows/macos/linux. Because "Linux" is not a vendor. Linux is like "car," not like "Toyota." Windows is like "bicycle with lawnmower engine held on with duct tape." Macos is like "you're eating this absolute shit, and it does taste good"
- lmm 3y ago
  > Yes, some apps are only available in the play store, and the maker of them does not publish them anywhere else. How's that google's fault again? Are you mad at Twitter because Starbucks doesn't sell their coffee there? I can buy from Starbucks anonymously, or give my friend money to buy something for me. If they're calling it a "store" then that comes with an implication that you don't have to consent to being creeped on to get stuff from there. They also did a bait-and-switch where they initially touted android's openness, but then moved an increasing amount of core functionality into google play services and encouraged app makers to depend on that. > There is no vendor "duopoly" between google and apple. There are about a thousand flavors of Android, and a bunch of phone makers - and google isn't even the top Android seller. The only one I've used with a play store was for like a year in 2010. There is absolutely an app store duopoly - it's a different duopoly in China than the rest of the world, but that's a distraction. The fact that they're able to sustain their 30% cut shows how much market power they have.

josephcsible 3y ago

That feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face, since iOS is still way more locked down than Android. If your employer cut your salary from $100k to $90k, would you respond by quitting and going to work somewhere else for $50k?

Aachen 3y ago
Per another comment, and keeping with your analogy, they think the work at the 50k$ employer is nicer | that Apple isn't as evil as Google. Not saying they're right or wrong, but that's valid logic if true. Personally I find the other ways in which you get locked down+in to already be so not worth it that it's not even a question I've needed to consider.