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Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuat

Imperial wars and the people who waged them in the past are horrible, but the current wars are just and worthy of our support. This type of reporting perpetuates war by putting us in a loop of kill, repent and repeat. This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlets. If you disagree, please reference an article where they are not in support of the current war in Ukraine.

pasquinelli 3y ago
war is a racket after all. https://archive.org/details/WarIsARacket https://archive.org/details/WarIsARacket
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comrh 3y ago
Many articles are not in support of the current war in Ukraine. A lot of ink has been spilled on what Russia is doing is wrong and should immediately end their war.
- kornhole 3y ago
  People of the US must support their leader to make war. Similarly people of Russia must support their leader for war. An American journal like the Intercept has near zero influence on people in Russia just as Komsomolskaya Pravda has near zero influence on us. If an outlet is promoting hate against another country rather than paths of diplomacy, it is promoting war.
  - karp773 3y ago
    You can't really draw parallels between American and Russian media. What is the equivalent of Fox News in Russia?
    - kornhole 3y ago
      The point is very few people in Russia watch Fox News. It is targeted to an American audience. Fox News trying to convince people in Russia of anything is pointless.
MSFT_Edging 3y ago
On the day Russia invaded, Defense contractor stocks rose significantly. Until we can break the profit motive away from war production, you won't see these kinds of wars stopping. Not to say there aren't other motivations for war, but policy makers, defense companies, and governmental orgs are fairly entwined. One fun thing I used to find, if you followed an article about Xiajiang, and followed the citations far enough, the source citation was almost always a thinktank funded by these groups in abstract ways. It'd take a while to find again, but one example was a study by some pacific named thinktank, who's funding was from an Australian defense policy group. That group was in turn partially funded by the American DoD. The corruption is circular. Soft power manipulates studies, which manipulates reporting, which manipulates public opinion, which then sways policy, which then supports the original orgs. It was so easy to turn "predicted cultural genocide(by including a group in a policy they were previously exempt from)" into "active genocide" when you're 8 citations deep.
tome 3y ago
> This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlet Is The Intercept billionare-owned?
- b215826 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Look_Media https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Look_Media
b215826 3y ago
> support of the current war in Ukraine The Intercept has mostly echoed current left-liberal talking points ever since Greenwald left, so you won't find many articles critical of the current war there. Anyway, since the OP is about Kissinger, it's interesting to note what he had to say about the current war [1] > "After saying that Western countries should remember Russia’s importance to Europe and not get swept up “in the mood of the moment,” Kissinger also pushed for the West to force Ukraine into accepting negotiations with a “status quo ante,” which means the previous state of affairs. > “Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante,” said Kissinger, 98, according to the Daily Telegraph. “Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself.” [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/24/henry-kissinger-ukraine-russia-territory-davos/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/24/henry-kissin...
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int_19h 3y ago
The war in Ukraine is an imperial war, instigated by another empire. So if you consider imperial wars to be horrible, supporting their victims is a good way to make amends, no?
- mythrwy 3y ago
  It's an imperial war instigated by multiple parties. Not one party. And the Ukrainian people are paying for it in blood.
  - archagon 3y ago
    You might want to brush up on what the word "instigated" means.
    - mythrwy 3y ago
      I know what the word means. I also know history and have been following events there closely for over a decade. I am old. I watched the fall of the Soviet Union. I watched Serbia. I watched Georgia. And what I say is true. There are multiple imperial instigators in this war. Russia is certainly one of them.
      - _kbh_ 3y ago
        > And what I say is true. There are multiple imperial instigators in this war. Russia is certainly one of them. What you said is patently false there is only one imperial instigator in this war, that’s Russia what remains after that is the imagined fever dreams of people trying to justify and support a war of imperialism by Russia that is systematically doing what it can to wipe out the existence of the country it seems to subjugate.
    - dilap 3y ago
      Instigated is maybe too strong a word, but certainly at least provoked. It's a testament to the awesome power of US propaganda that you can't throw a stone in Texas without hitting a house flying the Ukrainian flag, but almost no one actually knows the history and circumstances leading up to the war. I think these two pieces provide some good background: https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/the-war-in-ukraine-was-provoked-and-why-that-matters-if-we-want-peace https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/the-war-in-ukraine-was-... https://archive.is/uvm3W https://archive.is/uvm3W
throwaway6734 3y ago
Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a war of colonialism and imperialism.
soledades 3y ago
Every major outlet is against the war in Ukraine, which is why they want to help the Ukrainians drive the aggressors out.
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pasquinelli 3y ago

war is a racket after all. https://archive.org/details/WarIsARacket https://archive.org/details/WarIsARacket

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comrh 3y ago

Many articles are not in support of the current war in Ukraine. A lot of ink has been spilled on what Russia is doing is wrong and should immediately end their war.

kornhole 3y ago
People of the US must support their leader to make war. Similarly people of Russia must support their leader for war. An American journal like the Intercept has near zero influence on people in Russia just as Komsomolskaya Pravda has near zero influence on us. If an outlet is promoting hate against another country rather than paths of diplomacy, it is promoting war.
- karp773 3y ago
  You can't really draw parallels between American and Russian media. What is the equivalent of Fox News in Russia?
  - kornhole 3y ago
    The point is very few people in Russia watch Fox News. It is targeted to an American audience. Fox News trying to convince people in Russia of anything is pointless.

MSFT_Edging 3y ago

On the day Russia invaded, Defense contractor stocks rose significantly. Until we can break the profit motive away from war production, you won't see these kinds of wars stopping. Not to say there aren't other motivations for war, but policy makers, defense companies, and governmental orgs are fairly entwined. One fun thing I used to find, if you followed an article about Xiajiang, and followed the citations far enough, the source citation was almost always a thinktank funded by these groups in abstract ways. It'd take a while to find again, but one example was a study by some pacific named thinktank, who's funding was from an Australian defense policy group. That group was in turn partially funded by the American DoD. The corruption is circular. Soft power manipulates studies, which manipulates reporting, which manipulates public opinion, which then sways policy, which then supports the original orgs. It was so easy to turn "predicted cultural genocide(by including a group in a policy they were previously exempt from)" into "active genocide" when you're 8 citations deep.

tome 3y ago

> This is generally the type of reporting I find from this and other billionaire owned outlet Is The Intercept billionare-owned?

b215826 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Look_Media https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Look_Media

b215826 3y ago

> support of the current war in Ukraine The Intercept has mostly echoed current left-liberal talking points ever since Greenwald left, so you won't find many articles critical of the current war there. Anyway, since the OP is about Kissinger, it's interesting to note what he had to say about the current war [1] > "After saying that Western countries should remember Russia’s importance to Europe and not get swept up “in the mood of the moment,” Kissinger also pushed for the West to force Ukraine into accepting negotiations with a “status quo ante,” which means the previous state of affairs. > “Negotiations need to begin in the next two months before it creates upheavals and tensions that will not be easily overcome. Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante,” said Kissinger, 98, according to the Daily Telegraph. “Pursuing the war beyond that point would not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself.” [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/24/henry-kissinger-ukraine-russia-territory-davos/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/24/henry-kissin...

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int_19h 3y ago

The war in Ukraine is an imperial war, instigated by another empire. So if you consider imperial wars to be horrible, supporting their victims is a good way to make amends, no?

mythrwy 3y ago
It's an imperial war instigated by multiple parties. Not one party. And the Ukrainian people are paying for it in blood.
- archagon 3y ago
  You might want to brush up on what the word "instigated" means.
  - mythrwy 3y ago
    I know what the word means. I also know history and have been following events there closely for over a decade. I am old. I watched the fall of the Soviet Union. I watched Serbia. I watched Georgia. And what I say is true. There are multiple imperial instigators in this war. Russia is certainly one of them.
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > And what I say is true. There are multiple imperial instigators in this war. Russia is certainly one of them. What you said is patently false there is only one imperial instigator in this war, that’s Russia what remains after that is the imagined fever dreams of people trying to justify and support a war of imperialism by Russia that is systematically doing what it can to wipe out the existence of the country it seems to subjugate.
  - dilap 3y ago
    Instigated is maybe too strong a word, but certainly at least provoked. It's a testament to the awesome power of US propaganda that you can't throw a stone in Texas without hitting a house flying the Ukrainian flag, but almost no one actually knows the history and circumstances leading up to the war. I think these two pieces provide some good background: https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/the-war-in-ukraine-was-provoked-and-why-that-matters-if-we-want-peace https://www.commondreams.org/opinion/the-war-in-ukraine-was-... https://archive.is/uvm3W https://archive.is/uvm3W

throwaway6734 3y ago

Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a war of colonialism and imperialism.

soledades 3y ago

Every major outlet is against the war in Ukraine, which is why they want to help the Ukrainians drive the aggressors out.

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