4 ms·

Neither major US party has significantly different policy than Kissinger, and currently both are significantly more aggressive. They also both believe that Domi

Neither major US party has significantly different policy than Kissinger, and currently both are significantly more aggressive. They also both believe that Domino Theory is true. The major difference is that Kissinger and Nixon opened up China, while the US sees the comfort and wealth of Chinese people as the biggest threat facing the world today. Kissinger is a scapegoat that lets everyone else off. He's another Judith Miller for the liberal soul. Here's the LA Times calling Kissinger a wimp last year: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-02-21/richard-nixon-henry-kissinger-trip-to-china-50th-anniversary-taiwan-vietnam-war https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2022-02-21/richard-nix... Here's NYT pretending they weren't calling him an idiot and a coward by writing a story quoting only people calling him an idiot and a coward: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/henry-kissinger-ukraine-russia-davos.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/25/world/europe/henry-kissin... edit: also, I hate to add this because it's so 2023, but it's a trope that we blame on the one Jewish guy everything a bunch of WASPs did on his advice.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
> while the US sees the comfort and wealth of Chinese people as the biggest threat facing the world today. I mostly see the CCP's concentration camps and sociopathic indifference to fundamental rights as the biggest threat to the world today. Of course, I can see your point of view too, that the "less evil" regimes are so arrogant in always boasting about how they're "less evil". As if that matters. Everyone knows that if they stopped doing that, the world would improve.
AbrahamParangi 3y ago
"the US sees the comfort and wealth of Chinese people as the biggest threat facing the world today" This is a pretty crazy thing to say. I am aware that you can find this opinion in Chinese propaganda but what leads you to believe that this is actually true and the US/China tension is not a function of the fact that the US is an ally to most democracies and opposed to most authoritarian states? I mean, if we just look at a list of who the US calls "adversaries": Iran North Korea Russia China ISIS Are there any trends we can pick out here? Any commonalities?
- missedthecue 3y ago
  Is it really such a crazy thing to say when US officials like the commerce secretary are publicly saying that the US needs to get Europe on board so they can more effectively slow the Chinese innovation rate? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/28/us-needs-to-work-with-europe-to-slow-chinas-innovation-rate-raimondo-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/28/us-needs-to-work-with-europe...
  - AbrahamParangi 3y ago
    That story is about getting China to respect some system of IP protection. It's a trade dispute. The US does not literally care how rich the Chinese people are - that's an insane idea that only shows up in Chinese propaganda. “America is most effective when we work with our allies,” Raimondo told CNBC’s Kayla Tausche in an exclusive interview. “If we really want to slow down China’s rate of innovation, we need to work with Europe.” “They’re ripping off our IP, they are not playing by the rules. It’s not a level playing field. And so we need to hold their feet to the fire to make sure that they do that,” she said, adding that Beijing is “not living up to the agreements that they made.”
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
sabayapitman 3y ago
but it's a trope that we blame on the one Jewish guy everything a bunch of WASPs did on his advice. see White Man's Burden, Ari Shavit, Apr 3, 2003 The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it's possible. But another journalist, Thomas Friedman (not part of the group), is skeptical https://web.archive.org/web/20220528031529/https://www.haaretz.com/2003-04-03/ty-article/white-mans-burden/0000017f-e398-d804-ad7f-f3fa5d520000 https://web.archive.org/web/20220528031529/https://www.haare...

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

> while the US sees the comfort and wealth of Chinese people as the biggest threat facing the world today. I mostly see the CCP's concentration camps and sociopathic indifference to fundamental rights as the biggest threat to the world today. Of course, I can see your point of view too, that the "less evil" regimes are so arrogant in always boasting about how they're "less evil". As if that matters. Everyone knows that if they stopped doing that, the world would improve.

AbrahamParangi 3y ago

"the US sees the comfort and wealth of Chinese people as the biggest threat facing the world today" This is a pretty crazy thing to say. I am aware that you can find this opinion in Chinese propaganda but what leads you to believe that this is actually true and the US/China tension is not a function of the fact that the US is an ally to most democracies and opposed to most authoritarian states? I mean, if we just look at a list of who the US calls "adversaries": Iran North Korea Russia China ISIS Are there any trends we can pick out here? Any commonalities?

missedthecue 3y ago
Is it really such a crazy thing to say when US officials like the commerce secretary are publicly saying that the US needs to get Europe on board so they can more effectively slow the Chinese innovation rate? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/28/us-needs-to-work-with-europe-to-slow-chinas-innovation-rate-raimondo-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/28/us-needs-to-work-with-europe...
- AbrahamParangi 3y ago
  That story is about getting China to respect some system of IP protection. It's a trade dispute. The US does not literally care how rich the Chinese people are - that's an insane idea that only shows up in Chinese propaganda. “America is most effective when we work with our allies,” Raimondo told CNBC’s Kayla Tausche in an exclusive interview. “If we really want to slow down China’s rate of innovation, we need to work with Europe.” “They’re ripping off our IP, they are not playing by the rules. It’s not a level playing field. And so we need to hold their feet to the fire to make sure that they do that,” she said, adding that Beijing is “not living up to the agreements that they made.”

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]

sabayapitman 3y ago

but it's a trope that we blame on the one Jewish guy everything a bunch of WASPs did on his advice. see White Man's Burden, Ari Shavit, Apr 3, 2003 The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history. Two of them, journalists William Kristol and Charles Krauthammer, say it's possible. But another journalist, Thomas Friedman (not part of the group), is skeptical https://web.archive.org/web/20220528031529/https://www.haaretz.com/2003-04-03/ty-article/white-mans-burden/0000017f-e398-d804-ad7f-f3fa5d520000 https://web.archive.org/web/20220528031529/https://www.haare...