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It's still not too late to bring the blood-money profiteering war criminals Kissinger and Cheney before The Hague. While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a

It's still not too late to bring the blood-money profiteering war criminals Kissinger and Cheney before The Hague. While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. They should die in custody and disgrace while Snowden and Assange should be free.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> It's still not too late to bring the blood-money profiteering war criminals Kissinger and Cheney before The Hague. While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. There's also the substantial problem that the war crimes (and crimes of aggression) that each is most clearly responsible for are not within ICC jurisdiction for geographical and/or temporal reasons. (Becauae the UK is and was at the time a Rome Statute party, the ICC did have investigate British potential violations in Iraq.)
- andyjohnson0 3y ago
  > Becauae the UK is and was at the time a Rome Statute party, the ICC did have investigate British potential violations in Iraq. Some of those possible violations were no doubt awful, but as usual the national leadership layer of the winning sides was untouched. I still have hopes that Tony Blair will one day face the punishment he deserves.
  - poisonarena 3y ago
    relevent song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUtikPtdT-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUtikPtdT-s
science4sail 3y ago
> While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. Wouldn't that just result in the US invading the Netherlands to rescue them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr... > This authorization led to the act being colloquially nicknamed "The Hague Invasion Act", as the act allows the President to order U.S. military action, such as an invasion of The Hague, where the ICC is located, to protect American officials and military personnel from prosecution or rescue them from custody
- favorited 3y ago
  Which would be a disaster, because it would be an intra-NATO military conflict, and while intra-NATO military alliances exist, they are untested and it's hard to imagine another NATO state backing US military action in the Netherlands. The Netherlands would invoke Article 5 and request military assistance from other NATO members against the US.
  - missedthecue 3y ago
    Isn't there intra NATO conflict between Turkey and Greece?
    - favorited 3y ago
      Yes, and several NATO states have separate military alliances with Greece at this point, but luckily neither side has ever invoked Article 5...
    - PestoDiRucola 3y ago
      It's never come to full blows though.
  - zaphirplane 3y ago
    In the hypothetical situation and In the context of a thread discussing countries doing illegal:immoral things Me thinks agreements will be broken
  - YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
    Right, so the other great military powers in NATO, like France and the UK will stand up to the US to protect the Netherlands? Sounds more like something that would happen in a game of Risk than in the real world, to be honest.
pstuart 3y ago
I'm still bent about Assange's complicity in the 2016 election interference. It's believed that both the DNC and RNC servers were hacked, but conveniently one side was omitted. Yes, I do believe in transparency and have no love for the DNC, but that asymmetry had significant consequences. It's widely believed that the other dump was used for blackmail purposes.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> It's still not too late to bring the blood-money profiteering war criminals Kissinger and Cheney before The Hague. While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. There's also the substantial problem that the war crimes (and crimes of aggression) that each is most clearly responsible for are not within ICC jurisdiction for geographical and/or temporal reasons. (Becauae the UK is and was at the time a Rome Statute party, the ICC did have investigate British potential violations in Iraq.)

andyjohnson0 3y ago
> Becauae the UK is and was at the time a Rome Statute party, the ICC did have investigate British potential violations in Iraq. Some of those possible violations were no doubt awful, but as usual the national leadership layer of the winning sides was untouched. I still have hopes that Tony Blair will one day face the punishment he deserves.
- poisonarena 3y ago
  relevent song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUtikPtdT-s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUtikPtdT-s

science4sail 3y ago

> While the US isn't a signatory to the ICC, a cargo van and a private jet would solve that. Wouldn't that just result in the US invading the Netherlands to rescue them? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Pr... > This authorization led to the act being colloquially nicknamed "The Hague Invasion Act", as the act allows the President to order U.S. military action, such as an invasion of The Hague, where the ICC is located, to protect American officials and military personnel from prosecution or rescue them from custody

favorited 3y ago
Which would be a disaster, because it would be an intra-NATO military conflict, and while intra-NATO military alliances exist, they are untested and it's hard to imagine another NATO state backing US military action in the Netherlands. The Netherlands would invoke Article 5 and request military assistance from other NATO members against the US.
- missedthecue 3y ago
  Isn't there intra NATO conflict between Turkey and Greece?
  - favorited 3y ago
    Yes, and several NATO states have separate military alliances with Greece at this point, but luckily neither side has ever invoked Article 5...
  - PestoDiRucola 3y ago
    It's never come to full blows though.
- zaphirplane 3y ago
  In the hypothetical situation and In the context of a thread discussing countries doing illegal:immoral things Me thinks agreements will be broken
- YeGoblynQueenne 3y ago
  Right, so the other great military powers in NATO, like France and the UK will stand up to the US to protect the Netherlands? Sounds more like something that would happen in a game of Risk than in the real world, to be honest.

pstuart 3y ago

I'm still bent about Assange's complicity in the 2016 election interference. It's believed that both the DNC and RNC servers were hacked, but conveniently one side was omitted. Yes, I do believe in transparency and have no love for the DNC, but that asymmetry had significant consequences. It's widely believed that the other dump was used for blackmail purposes.