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Kissinger's turning 100 this Saturday. The final horcrux of 20th century imperialism.

koolba 3y ago
Watching what’s become of Ukraine and China must be keeping him going. Probably doesn’t even need a Viagra prescription anymore.
- hummer_embark 3y ago
  The Ukraine war is a negative for him. He wanted to use Russia against China. Like how he previously used China against the Soviet Union. He was the one advising Trump towards detente with Russia during the 2016 campaign. Unfortunately for him, others within the deep state made that policy impossible.
  - ragnot 3y ago
    Got any more reading for that?
    - hummer_embark 3y ago
      [dead]
  - vlovich123 3y ago
    That’s an interesting take. Only a year or two ahead of the Ukrainian election Trump was threatening withholding agreed to and paid for arms shipments to Ukraine unless they announce investigations into Biden’s son. His people also blatantly lied claiming meetings with Russians ahead of elections were just about adoption policy whereas really it was about lifting the Magnitsky act which was the reason Russia banned US adoptions.
    - hummer_embark 3y ago
      The contact with Russia prior to inauguration was for lobbying on behalf of Israel. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/michael-flynn-israel-lobbying-russia-united-nations https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/michael-flyn...
      - vlovich123 3y ago
        Nope. Totally different meeting: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/06/us/politics/trump-tower-russia-meeting.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/06/us/politics/t... The Trump team had lots of contact with Russia about all sorts of topics. By the way as far as I know, lobbying the Russians against the interests of the current government is extremely rare and rises to the level of what Reagan did to Carter with the Iran hostage crisis. There’s even laws on the books iirc that this isn’t allowed although no one seems to want to try enforcing it.
therein 3y ago
There is a saying in Turkish that roughly translates: "Nothing bad happens to bad people, God has to protect the good people". Here is Kissinger being asked directly: https://youtu.be/p9vj2IkpBEw?t=7 https://youtu.be/p9vj2IkpBEw?t=7
celtoid 3y ago
Kissinger's friendship with Putin must be a thorn in the side of his many defenders in DC. "Putin and Kissinger, indeed, met regularly – at least fifteen times. Once Putin was even invited for dinner at Kissinger’s home in New York. A “close and trusting collaboration” seemed in particular be established between the Kremlin and Kissinger Associates, Kissinger’s consulting firm." [0] [0] "The Strange Putin-Kissinger Friendship", Marcel H. Van Herpen, 2016: https://www.cicerofoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Marcel_H_Van_Herpen_The_Putin_Kissinger_Friendship.pdf https://www.cicerofoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Marcel_H...
- mrguyorama 3y ago
  Trump himself openly talks about admiring Putin and preferring the way Putin leads to anything here in America, and high ranking members of the American Republican party spent at least one recent July 4th in Moscow meeting with Putin. Connections with the Russian Oligarchy haven't harmed them at all, especially since all their followers are convinced it was a hoax.
  - celtoid 3y ago
    I'm speaking more of these types of photo ops: "Secretary Blinken stands with former Secretaries of State Condoleezza Rice, Henry Kissinger, and James Baker at Stanford Memorial Church on Thursday." [0] Hillary Clinton also spent decades brown nosing Henry Kissinger. I'm curious to see if she releases a public birthday greeting when he turns 100. [0] https://www.state.gov/dipnote-u-s-department-of-state-official-blog/remembering-former-secretary-of-state-george-p-shultz/ https://www.state.gov/dipnote-u-s-department-of-state-offici...
    - vkou 3y ago
      I'm personally waiting for the fawning obituaries.
speed_spread 3y ago
You mean he'll let himself be killed to finally take down his mortal enemy but will be resurrected moments later by his loyal friends? That metaphor holds further than one would like.
JKCalhoun 3y ago
Wow, I must have been the 23rd person to show up at this party — he and I share the same birthday.
- dctoedt 3y ago
  So you're turning 100 too? Wow, congratulations! </smile> (I drill my law students in spotting and correcting phrasing that can be interpreted in two different ways, i.e., ambiguities.)

Watching what’s become of Ukraine and China must be keeping him going. Probably doesn’t even need a Viagra prescription anymore.

hummer_embark 3y ago
The Ukraine war is a negative for him. He wanted to use Russia against China. Like how he previously used China against the Soviet Union. He was the one advising Trump towards detente with Russia during the 2016 campaign. Unfortunately for him, others within the deep state made that policy impossible.
- ragnot 3y ago
  Got any more reading for that?
  - hummer_embark 3y ago
    [dead]
- vlovich123 3y ago
  That’s an interesting take. Only a year or two ahead of the Ukrainian election Trump was threatening withholding agreed to and paid for arms shipments to Ukraine unless they announce investigations into Biden’s son. His people also blatantly lied claiming meetings with Russians ahead of elections were just about adoption policy whereas really it was about lifting the Magnitsky act which was the reason Russia banned US adoptions.
  - hummer_embark 3y ago
    The contact with Russia prior to inauguration was for lobbying on behalf of Israel. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/michael-flynn-israel-lobbying-russia-united-nations https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/michael-flyn...
    - vlovich123 3y ago
      Nope. Totally different meeting: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/06/us/politics/trump-tower-russia-meeting.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/08/06/us/politics/t... The Trump team had lots of contact with Russia about all sorts of topics. By the way as far as I know, lobbying the Russians against the interests of the current government is extremely rare and rises to the level of what Reagan did to Carter with the Iran hostage crisis. There’s even laws on the books iirc that this isn’t allowed although no one seems to want to try enforcing it.

therein 3y ago

There is a saying in Turkish that roughly translates: "Nothing bad happens to bad people, God has to protect the good people". Here is Kissinger being asked directly: https://youtu.be/p9vj2IkpBEw?t=7 https://youtu.be/p9vj2IkpBEw?t=7

celtoid 3y ago

Kissinger's friendship with Putin must be a thorn in the side of his many defenders in DC. "Putin and Kissinger, indeed, met regularly – at least fifteen times. Once Putin was even invited for dinner at Kissinger’s home in New York. A “close and trusting collaboration” seemed in particular be established between the Kremlin and Kissinger Associates, Kissinger’s consulting firm." [0] [0] "The Strange Putin-Kissinger Friendship", Marcel H. Van Herpen, 2016: https://www.cicerofoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Marcel_H_Van_Herpen_The_Putin_Kissinger_Friendship.pdf https://www.cicerofoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/Marcel_H...

mrguyorama 3y ago
Trump himself openly talks about admiring Putin and preferring the way Putin leads to anything here in America, and high ranking members of the American Republican party spent at least one recent July 4th in Moscow meeting with Putin. Connections with the Russian Oligarchy haven't harmed them at all, especially since all their followers are convinced it was a hoax.
- celtoid 3y ago
  I'm speaking more of these types of photo ops: "Secretary Blinken stands with former Secretaries of State Condoleezza Rice, Henry Kissinger, and James Baker at Stanford Memorial Church on Thursday." [0] Hillary Clinton also spent decades brown nosing Henry Kissinger. I'm curious to see if she releases a public birthday greeting when he turns 100. [0] https://www.state.gov/dipnote-u-s-department-of-state-official-blog/remembering-former-secretary-of-state-george-p-shultz/ https://www.state.gov/dipnote-u-s-department-of-state-offici...
  - vkou 3y ago
    I'm personally waiting for the fawning obituaries.

speed_spread 3y ago

You mean he'll let himself be killed to finally take down his mortal enemy but will be resurrected moments later by his loyal friends? That metaphor holds further than one would like.

JKCalhoun 3y ago

Wow, I must have been the 23rd person to show up at this party — he and I share the same birthday.

dctoedt 3y ago
So you're turning 100 too? Wow, congratulations! </smile> (I drill my law students in spotting and correcting phrasing that can be interpreted in two different ways, i.e., ambiguities.)