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> If there is danger, the police will come fast to catch the stranger Oh the irony of having this in Texas. Instead of having real 2nd amendment reform, lets

> If there is danger, the police will come fast to catch the stranger Oh the irony of having this in Texas. Instead of having real 2nd amendment reform, lets give everyone a book to cope with the new reality.

rayiner 3y ago
> Instead of having real 2nd amendment reform How do you propose to reform the second amendment?
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  Interpreting a well regulated militia to actually mean something.
  - Ancapistani 3y ago
    I don't see how the federal government setting explicit standards for arms and equipment suitable for use in the event of their calling out the militia would help, but I'd not have a huge issue with it. How about a subsidy? Even something as simple as a tax credit for the purchase of arms, equipment, and ammunition with which to train would probably be broadly popular. ... I suspect this isn't what you meant when you wrote your comment - but it is what the people who wrote and ratified the BoR understood the text of the Second Amendment to mean.
    - cnelsenmilt 3y ago
      Thorough and enforced training requirements for gun ownership I think would shift a lot of opinions from the somewhat opposed to the accepting column.
      - bmelton 3y ago
        This is only a tenable position to hold if you _also_ accept educational requirements to exercise other rights. E.g., the right to vote. The Supreme Court has held that such requirements to exercise a fundamental right are inherently unconstitutional and discriminatory. Because rights are held to the standard of scrutiny, the only way to diminish the protections afforded by the second amendment is to lower the standard of scrutiny, which opens the door to two scenarios: either the 2nd amendment is deemed unpopular enough of a right that it warrants diminished protections, which yields the prospect of any right becoming unpopular and protections similarly diminished, or none of the enumerated rights deserve the robust protections that the second amendment provides, which imperils protections on rights we may care more about, like voting (which is not even constitutionally enumerated,) speech, etc.
brink 3y ago
More importantly - we could also try to fix the division and culture issues that stirs up the violence, but for separate reasons, no-one wants to do that either. Interestingly we'd rather make people impotent than good.
- taserian 3y ago
  Who gets to define "good"?
  - brink 3y ago
    Since the general public doesn't seem to be interested in God anymore, we can start with the data and go from there. For example - fatherlessness creates more violent individuals and the data proves it, let's fix that.
- Volundr 3y ago
  Honestly I'll take any action. Is it a mental health issue? Let's take action to address those issues. Parenting? Figure out how to improve parent involvement, resources, etc. "division and culture issues that stirs up the violence"? Great how do we DO something about that. Too often these "it's not the guns it's X", then use that as an excuse to do nothing rather than focus on solving X. I tend to side with the folks pushing for gun restrictions more because they are actually pushing to try something rather than doing nothing.
jstarfish 3y ago
I'm a pacifist, and generally side with law enforcement even through their fuckups, but someone deserved to hang over the Uvalde shitshow. Accidentally killing suspects who may or may not have been uppity is doing your job poorly, but leaving a bunch of defenseless kids locked in a labyrinth with a gunman is not doing your job at all. Between coward cops and dissolute gunmen at school or work, it's never too late to learn how to build a proper barricade. Don't stack furniture in front of the door like in zombie movies; the door already serves the purpose of blocking-- instead, hunker down in a classroom/office and build a train of furniture extending from the door to the opposing wall sturdy enough that anybody trying to open it is pushing a column of furniture against a wall instead of shifting a pile of shitty MDF. Then get the hell away from line-of-sight of the door. Expect bullets fired through it in frustration.

rayiner 3y ago

> Instead of having real 2nd amendment reform How do you propose to reform the second amendment?

nickthegreek 3y ago
Interpreting a well regulated militia to actually mean something.
- Ancapistani 3y ago
  I don't see how the federal government setting explicit standards for arms and equipment suitable for use in the event of their calling out the militia would help, but I'd not have a huge issue with it. How about a subsidy? Even something as simple as a tax credit for the purchase of arms, equipment, and ammunition with which to train would probably be broadly popular. ... I suspect this isn't what you meant when you wrote your comment - but it is what the people who wrote and ratified the BoR understood the text of the Second Amendment to mean.
  - cnelsenmilt 3y ago
    Thorough and enforced training requirements for gun ownership I think would shift a lot of opinions from the somewhat opposed to the accepting column.
    - bmelton 3y ago
      This is only a tenable position to hold if you _also_ accept educational requirements to exercise other rights. E.g., the right to vote. The Supreme Court has held that such requirements to exercise a fundamental right are inherently unconstitutional and discriminatory. Because rights are held to the standard of scrutiny, the only way to diminish the protections afforded by the second amendment is to lower the standard of scrutiny, which opens the door to two scenarios: either the 2nd amendment is deemed unpopular enough of a right that it warrants diminished protections, which yields the prospect of any right becoming unpopular and protections similarly diminished, or none of the enumerated rights deserve the robust protections that the second amendment provides, which imperils protections on rights we may care more about, like voting (which is not even constitutionally enumerated,) speech, etc.

brink 3y ago

More importantly - we could also try to fix the division and culture issues that stirs up the violence, but for separate reasons, no-one wants to do that either. Interestingly we'd rather make people impotent than good.

taserian 3y ago
Who gets to define "good"?
- brink 3y ago
  Since the general public doesn't seem to be interested in God anymore, we can start with the data and go from there. For example - fatherlessness creates more violent individuals and the data proves it, let's fix that.
Volundr 3y ago
Honestly I'll take any action. Is it a mental health issue? Let's take action to address those issues. Parenting? Figure out how to improve parent involvement, resources, etc. "division and culture issues that stirs up the violence"? Great how do we DO something about that. Too often these "it's not the guns it's X", then use that as an excuse to do nothing rather than focus on solving X. I tend to side with the folks pushing for gun restrictions more because they are actually pushing to try something rather than doing nothing.

jstarfish 3y ago

I'm a pacifist, and generally side with law enforcement even through their fuckups, but someone deserved to hang over the Uvalde shitshow. Accidentally killing suspects who may or may not have been uppity is doing your job poorly, but leaving a bunch of defenseless kids locked in a labyrinth with a gunman is not doing your job at all. Between coward cops and dissolute gunmen at school or work, it's never too late to learn how to build a proper barricade. Don't stack furniture in front of the door like in zombie movies; the door already serves the purpose of blocking-- instead, hunker down in a classroom/office and build a train of furniture extending from the door to the opposing wall sturdy enough that anybody trying to open it is pushing a column of furniture against a wall instead of shifting a pile of shitty MDF. Then get the hell away from line-of-sight of the door. Expect bullets fired through it in frustration.