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Winnie-the-Pooh book teaches Texas kids to ‘run, hide, fight’ in a shooting

20 points by detaro 3y ago

MattGaiser 3y ago
> “should the unthinkable occur” Yet so common that things like this book make sense.
- salad-tycoon 3y ago
  Unthinkable does not have anything to do with probability. Rather, it’s something the author would prefer to not think about. Also, you saying it’s common is a judgement call and not a true frequency call. It can be both unthinkable and uncommon and possible.
  - injb 3y ago
    I think the right phrase is something like "worth thinking about" rather than "common". It's like the "in the very unlikely event of a water landing..." you hear on airplanes. It is very unlikely but there's something relatively easy you can do that will improve your chances if it does happen. Either way, it's disturbing that this might be "worth thinking about".
detaro 3y ago
> The book features the honey-loving bear created by AA Milne and illustrator EH Shepard instructing kids about how to react to a mass shooting. It is not an official production, Winnie-the-Pooh has been in the public domain since 1 January 2022. Not what I expected from "well-known childrens franchise goes public domain"
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- singleshot_ 3y ago
  I really hate to be the one to inform you about the Winnie-the-Pooh horror movie.
  - detaro 3y ago
    "Turn cute characters into a splatter thing" wasn't that surprising IMHO (see thousands of low-profile early-2000s flash animations), although how big of a thing it became was a bit unexpected.
- jfengel 3y ago
  Precisely what I expected from "well-known children's franchise goes public domain". The main thing I've learned from the Internet is that, while most people aren't terrible, the most terrible people have the most time on their hands. In a room with 100 people, one of them is the most depraved asshole. And that is the one whose actions will be most important.
EscapeFromNY 3y ago
A. A. Milne is turning in his grave.
candiddevmike 3y ago
> If there is danger, the police will come fast to catch the stranger Oh the irony of having this in Texas. Instead of having real 2nd amendment reform, lets give everyone a book to cope with the new reality.
- rayiner 3y ago
  > Instead of having real 2nd amendment reform How do you propose to reform the second amendment?
  - nickthegreek 3y ago
    Interpreting a well regulated militia to actually mean something.
    - Ancapistani 3y ago
      I don't see how the federal government setting explicit standards for arms and equipment suitable for use in the event of their calling out the militia would help, but I'd not have a huge issue with it. How about a subsidy? Even something as simple as a tax credit for the purchase of arms, equipment, and ammunition with which to train would probably be broadly popular. ... I suspect this isn't what you meant when you wrote your comment - but it is what the people who wrote and ratified the BoR understood the text of the Second Amendment to mean.
      - cnelsenmilt 3y ago
        Thorough and enforced training requirements for gun ownership I think would shift a lot of opinions from the somewhat opposed to the accepting column.
        bmelton 3y ago
        This is only a tenable position to hold if you _also_ accept educational requirements to exercise other rights. E.g., the right to vote. The Supreme Court has held that such requirements to exercise a fundamental right are inherently unconstitutional and discriminatory. Because rights are held to the standard of scrutiny, the only way to diminish the protections afforded by the second amendment is to lower the standard of scrutiny, which opens the door to two scenarios: either the 2nd amendment is deemed unpopular enough of a right that it warrants diminished protections, which yields the prospect of any right becoming unpopular and protections similarly diminished, or none of the enumerated rights deserve the robust protections that the second amendment provides, which imperils protections on rights we may care more about, like voting (which is not even constitutionally enumerated,) speech, etc.
hirundo 3y ago
> On the following page, Kanga and baby Roo are shown wearing boxing gloves. The text says: “If danger finds us, don’t stay, run away. If we can’t get away, we have to FIGHT with all our might.” That's just the message I got from my own parent. Dad said GTFO, but if you can't, fight like hell and don't fight fair. (Then he gave some specific suggestions.) It may not be good advice for a four-year old, but it's a good algorithm to implant early.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  I'm told this is the foundation of Krav Maga.
  - Ancapistani 3y ago
    It's a reasonable strategy. I follow it, and I've taught my children the same. I don't think it's suitable for a children's book to be sent home with kids without additional explanation or context, though.

20 points by detaro 3y ago

MattGaiser 3y ago

> “should the unthinkable occur” Yet so common that things like this book make sense.

salad-tycoon 3y ago
Unthinkable does not have anything to do with probability. Rather, it’s something the author would prefer to not think about. Also, you saying it’s common is a judgement call and not a true frequency call. It can be both unthinkable and uncommon and possible.
- injb 3y ago
  I think the right phrase is something like "worth thinking about" rather than "common". It's like the "in the very unlikely event of a water landing..." you hear on airplanes. It is very unlikely but there's something relatively easy you can do that will improve your chances if it does happen. Either way, it's disturbing that this might be "worth thinking about".

detaro 3y ago

> The book features the honey-loving bear created by AA Milne and illustrator EH Shepard instructing kids about how to react to a mass shooting. It is not an official production, Winnie-the-Pooh has been in the public domain since 1 January 2022. Not what I expected from "well-known childrens franchise goes public domain"

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singleshot_ 3y ago
I really hate to be the one to inform you about the Winnie-the-Pooh horror movie.
- detaro 3y ago
  "Turn cute characters into a splatter thing" wasn't that surprising IMHO (see thousands of low-profile early-2000s flash animations), although how big of a thing it became was a bit unexpected.
jfengel 3y ago
Precisely what I expected from "well-known children's franchise goes public domain". The main thing I've learned from the Internet is that, while most people aren't terrible, the most terrible people have the most time on their hands. In a room with 100 people, one of them is the most depraved asshole. And that is the one whose actions will be most important.

EscapeFromNY 3y ago

A. A. Milne is turning in his grave.

candiddevmike 3y ago

> If there is danger, the police will come fast to catch the stranger Oh the irony of having this in Texas. Instead of having real 2nd amendment reform, lets give everyone a book to cope with the new reality.

rayiner 3y ago
> Instead of having real 2nd amendment reform How do you propose to reform the second amendment?
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  Interpreting a well regulated militia to actually mean something.
  - Ancapistani 3y ago
    I don't see how the federal government setting explicit standards for arms and equipment suitable for use in the event of their calling out the militia would help, but I'd not have a huge issue with it. How about a subsidy? Even something as simple as a tax credit for the purchase of arms, equipment, and ammunition with which to train would probably be broadly popular. ... I suspect this isn't what you meant when you wrote your comment - but it is what the people who wrote and ratified the BoR understood the text of the Second Amendment to mean.
    - cnelsenmilt 3y ago
      Thorough and enforced training requirements for gun ownership I think would shift a lot of opinions from the somewhat opposed to the accepting column.
      - bmelton 3y ago
        This is only a tenable position to hold if you _also_ accept educational requirements to exercise other rights. E.g., the right to vote. The Supreme Court has held that such requirements to exercise a fundamental right are inherently unconstitutional and discriminatory. Because rights are held to the standard of scrutiny, the only way to diminish the protections afforded by the second amendment is to lower the standard of scrutiny, which opens the door to two scenarios: either the 2nd amendment is deemed unpopular enough of a right that it warrants diminished protections, which yields the prospect of any right becoming unpopular and protections similarly diminished, or none of the enumerated rights deserve the robust protections that the second amendment provides, which imperils protections on rights we may care more about, like voting (which is not even constitutionally enumerated,) speech, etc.

hirundo 3y ago

> On the following page, Kanga and baby Roo are shown wearing boxing gloves. The text says: “If danger finds us, don’t stay, run away. If we can’t get away, we have to FIGHT with all our might.” That's just the message I got from my own parent. Dad said GTFO, but if you can't, fight like hell and don't fight fair. (Then he gave some specific suggestions.) It may not be good advice for a four-year old, but it's a good algorithm to implant early.

jstarfish 3y ago
I'm told this is the foundation of Krav Maga.
- Ancapistani 3y ago
  It's a reasonable strategy. I follow it, and I've taught my children the same. I don't think it's suitable for a children's book to be sent home with kids without additional explanation or context, though.