5 ms·

It's a US problem probably, everywhere manual transmission was or is a thing everybody expects cars to slow down. Also: keep enough distance, pay attention and

by consp 3y ago

It's a US problem probably, everywhere manual transmission was or is a thing everybody expects cars to slow down. Also: keep enough distance, pay attention and this is never an issue.

roomey 3y ago
Well yes, but engine breaking is a lot weaker then regen braking can be, so there really needs to be break lights id deceleration is more than one would reasonably expect engine breaking to achieve
- cataphract 3y ago
  Really depends on the car. There are cars with very little inertia, if you let go of the gas pedal quickly they will get quite jerky. In those, you really have to depress the clutch before completely letting go of the accelerator.
  - Enerccio 3y ago
    What kind of a car is that? I have 1.6l hyndai ix20 and I can let off gas at any time with zero issues....
willio58 3y ago
> keep enough distance, pay attention and this is never an issue If this was helpful, far fewer crashes would happen on roads today. People are imperfect. They're distracted, they have slow reaction times, they have poor vision, and they drive in poor weather. As the video states, regulations should definitely be altered to require car manufacturers to show brake lights no matter how deceleration occurs. It's just one additional way to prevent collisions.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
spookthesunset 3y ago
> keep enough distance, pay attention and this is never an issue That isn’t how safety regulations work. Driving is a cooperative affair and giving more information about your intend to the drivers around you is a good thing. I mean if all it took was “keep distance and pay attention” why bother with turn signals? And as a side note: “self driving” cars still haven’t completely figured out the right algorithm for turn signals. I watch enough “AI Driver” on YouTube to see him call out how Tesla’s turn signaling is sometimes pretty erratic. It is probably a pretty hard problem when you think about it. Showing brake lights is much easier. Got a deceleration over a certain value? Well, show them lights!
- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  > I mean if all it took was “keep distance and pay attention” why bother with turn signals? Have you met BMW drivers? /s You should be practicing defensive driving whenever you drive. It's what's taught nowadays and has been for a long while. You should expect others to be driving at their worst. No turn signals, broken tail lights, erratic lane change, abrupt braking or acceleration, the whole shebang. Expecting the worst is the best way to ensure your own safety on the road.
  - SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
    I laughed at the mention of BMW drivers because it's so spot on. I agree that defensive driving is always the way to go, but at a certain point you need information. TC essentially goes from 100km/h to stopped in less than 15 seconds without any obvious visual indication. That's coming to the point where there's almost no defensive driving possible and a deadly highway collision becomes more likely than not. It's the same in any situation. Always assume people will do completely insane things and prepare accordingly, but that doesn't mean we should make things more dangerous for no good reason. For all the truth that more chaotic roads make for more attentive drivers, they also still make for more accidents.
  - NikolaNovak 3y ago
    Yes. But the point is more information is good. You can be the most observant most defensively best trained driver, and more predictable information is still good. I don't understand the motivation of arguing an objectively provably demonstrably good thing, because some other thing is also good :-).
ilyt 3y ago
Keep enoug distance to be safe and someone will just change a lane to be in front of you, removing any safe distance you decided to keep
- p1mrx 3y ago
  Then slow down a bit and make more space. Traffic flows better when people have room to change lanes.
  - ilyt 3y ago
    That's my complaint, if I do someone just fills that space because their lane is going 2cm/minute slower than mine
    - p1mrx 3y ago
      Then slow down a bit and make more space. There's no trophy at the end.
      - ilyt 3y ago
        Which causes next car to get in front. Still no space, nor more safety, and also triggering morons to do extra maneuvers and potentially fuck up more. Do you lack ability to think about the results of the actions ?

by consp 3y ago

It's a US problem probably, everywhere manual transmission was or is a thing everybody expects cars to slow down. Also: keep enough distance, pay attention and this is never an issue.

roomey 3y ago

Well yes, but engine breaking is a lot weaker then regen braking can be, so there really needs to be break lights id deceleration is more than one would reasonably expect engine breaking to achieve

cataphract 3y ago
Really depends on the car. There are cars with very little inertia, if you let go of the gas pedal quickly they will get quite jerky. In those, you really have to depress the clutch before completely letting go of the accelerator.
- Enerccio 3y ago
  What kind of a car is that? I have 1.6l hyndai ix20 and I can let off gas at any time with zero issues....

willio58 3y ago

> keep enough distance, pay attention and this is never an issue If this was helpful, far fewer crashes would happen on roads today. People are imperfect. They're distracted, they have slow reaction times, they have poor vision, and they drive in poor weather. As the video states, regulations should definitely be altered to require car manufacturers to show brake lights no matter how deceleration occurs. It's just one additional way to prevent collisions.

deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

spookthesunset 3y ago

> keep enough distance, pay attention and this is never an issue That isn’t how safety regulations work. Driving is a cooperative affair and giving more information about your intend to the drivers around you is a good thing. I mean if all it took was “keep distance and pay attention” why bother with turn signals? And as a side note: “self driving” cars still haven’t completely figured out the right algorithm for turn signals. I watch enough “AI Driver” on YouTube to see him call out how Tesla’s turn signaling is sometimes pretty erratic. It is probably a pretty hard problem when you think about it. Showing brake lights is much easier. Got a deceleration over a certain value? Well, show them lights!

mynameisvlad 3y ago
> I mean if all it took was “keep distance and pay attention” why bother with turn signals? Have you met BMW drivers? /s You should be practicing defensive driving whenever you drive. It's what's taught nowadays and has been for a long while. You should expect others to be driving at their worst. No turn signals, broken tail lights, erratic lane change, abrupt braking or acceleration, the whole shebang. Expecting the worst is the best way to ensure your own safety on the road.
- SuperNinKenDo 3y ago
  I laughed at the mention of BMW drivers because it's so spot on. I agree that defensive driving is always the way to go, but at a certain point you need information. TC essentially goes from 100km/h to stopped in less than 15 seconds without any obvious visual indication. That's coming to the point where there's almost no defensive driving possible and a deadly highway collision becomes more likely than not. It's the same in any situation. Always assume people will do completely insane things and prepare accordingly, but that doesn't mean we should make things more dangerous for no good reason. For all the truth that more chaotic roads make for more attentive drivers, they also still make for more accidents.
- NikolaNovak 3y ago
  Yes. But the point is more information is good. You can be the most observant most defensively best trained driver, and more predictable information is still good. I don't understand the motivation of arguing an objectively provably demonstrably good thing, because some other thing is also good :-).

ilyt 3y ago

Keep enoug distance to be safe and someone will just change a lane to be in front of you, removing any safe distance you decided to keep

p1mrx 3y ago
Then slow down a bit and make more space. Traffic flows better when people have room to change lanes.
- ilyt 3y ago
  That's my complaint, if I do someone just fills that space because their lane is going 2cm/minute slower than mine
  - p1mrx 3y ago
    Then slow down a bit and make more space. There's no trophy at the end.
    - ilyt 3y ago
      Which causes next car to get in front. Still no space, nor more safety, and also triggering morons to do extra maneuvers and potentially fuck up more. Do you lack ability to think about the results of the actions ?