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Orthodox Jews by vast margins support Israel, you've been a victim of disinformation. There is a tiny sect of ultra-Orthodox that don't, but even the vast major

Orthodox Jews by vast margins support Israel, you've been a victim of disinformation. There is a tiny sect of ultra-Orthodox that don't, but even the vast majority of the ultra-Orthodox are pro-Israel. Support for Israel amongst Jews in general is somewhere north of 90%. Zionism is simply support for a Jewish state in Israel, not necessarily for settlers. The vast majority of the center-left political groups in Israel consider themselves Zionists, while being rabidly anti-settler. For example, the left-wing protests against judicial reform in Israel used the Israeli flag as their symbol — because they're Zionists, and believe the judicial reform undermined Israel. (The right wing and religious counterprotests also used the Israeli flag as their symbol, since they're also Zionists, and believe the current judicial system is detrimental to Israel.) Even some right-wing Israeli political parties have been anti-settler while pro-Zionism, e.g. Ariel Sharon's Kadima party that forcibly evicted all settlers from Gaza at gunpoint, destroyed the settlements there, and ended Israeli occupation of Gaza (the "unilateral disengagement") in 2005.

hutzlibu 3y ago
"Orthodox Jews by vast margins support Israel, you've been a victim of disinformation. " Possible, there is lots of disinformation going on. My wording also might have been bad, but by my definition and understanding orthodox jews aim for a 100% jewish state. And Israel is not 100% jewish, but tries a mixture as they also have arab and beduin population with voting rights. So orthodox jews surely mostly support Israel as being mostly jewish, but they rather would support a 100% jewish Israel state.
- reissbaker 3y ago
  "By my understanding Orthodox Jews aim for a 100% Jewish state" Most of my family is Orthodox, I was raised Orthodox, and have a pretty clear understanding of Orthodoxy's views on Israel (which is generally pro-Israel). You are confusing various ultra-Orthodox (also called "Haredi") sects, some of whom are anti-Zionist, but not for the reasons you're giving — in fact, the largest anti-Zionist Haredi sect (although "largest" here is still only ~100k globally), the Satmar, are specifically against Israel being Jewish because they view pre-Messianic Jewish states as contrary to Jewish law. The Neturei Karta, an even smaller but more extreme Haredi sect (~5k adherents globally), go so far as to politically support dismantling Israel and replacing it with an Islamic state. These are pretty niche groups within Orthodoxy, though, which is ~2MM globally; nearly all sects of which support the State of Israel.
  - hutzlibu 3y ago
    Thanks for clarifying, I definitely should have used "Ultra-Orthodox" then. The extremists are usually just the loudest and the most extreme phrases get the most media coverage with usually bad context, ... which can be summed up as missinformation, I fell for.

hutzlibu 3y ago

"Orthodox Jews by vast margins support Israel, you've been a victim of disinformation. " Possible, there is lots of disinformation going on. My wording also might have been bad, but by my definition and understanding orthodox jews aim for a 100% jewish state. And Israel is not 100% jewish, but tries a mixture as they also have arab and beduin population with voting rights. So orthodox jews surely mostly support Israel as being mostly jewish, but they rather would support a 100% jewish Israel state.

reissbaker 3y ago
"By my understanding Orthodox Jews aim for a 100% Jewish state" Most of my family is Orthodox, I was raised Orthodox, and have a pretty clear understanding of Orthodoxy's views on Israel (which is generally pro-Israel). You are confusing various ultra-Orthodox (also called "Haredi") sects, some of whom are anti-Zionist, but not for the reasons you're giving — in fact, the largest anti-Zionist Haredi sect (although "largest" here is still only ~100k globally), the Satmar, are specifically against Israel being Jewish because they view pre-Messianic Jewish states as contrary to Jewish law. The Neturei Karta, an even smaller but more extreme Haredi sect (~5k adherents globally), go so far as to politically support dismantling Israel and replacing it with an Islamic state. These are pretty niche groups within Orthodoxy, though, which is ~2MM globally; nearly all sects of which support the State of Israel.
- hutzlibu 3y ago
  Thanks for clarifying, I definitely should have used "Ultra-Orthodox" then. The extremists are usually just the loudest and the most extreme phrases get the most media coverage with usually bad context, ... which can be summed up as missinformation, I fell for.