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So what are they going to do about it?

jstummbillig 3y ago
That escalated quickly.
fallingmeat 3y ago
Great question! I don’t know the end game there. Maybe if they suspected their model was used they would sue, and in discovery find you used their model for training?
- visarga 3y ago
  Maybe we don't need to worry, OpenLLaMA is under training right now. It will be the commercial version of LLaMA. > Update 05/22/2023 > We are happy to release our 700B token checkpoint for the OpenLLaMA 7B model and 600B token checkpoint for the 3B model. We’ve also updated the evaluation results. We expect the full 1T token training run to finish at the end of this week. https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama So we could develop on LLaMA for now and switch to OpenLLaMA later.
bottled_poe 3y ago
Nothing until it’s worth their while.
postsantum 3y ago
MS lawyers have a good track record at sending out those scary cease&desist letters
- sanxiyn 3y ago
  I don't think that works. LLM-generated contents are not copyrightable.
  - dragonwriter 3y ago
    Breach of contract for violating the TOS agreed to when signinf uo for the service doesn’t depend on copyright.
    - nightski 3y ago
      Right but cease and desist usually relates to intellectual property or copyright matters, typically not TOS violations. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
      - dragonwriter 3y ago
        Cease and desist can be used for any issues where the person or entity issuing the C&D thinks they have a legal right that is being violated and wants to put the violator on notice in the hopes of securing a change in behavior short of legal action.
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    - aix1 3y ago
      What I don't understand - is there anything that would prevent Alice from publishing ChatGPT prompts and outputs for anyone to use, with no T&C attached? Once Alice has done that, is there anything to prevent Bob, who has never agreed to ChatGPT ToS, to use those prompts and outputs to train his own models to compete with OpenAI's? (Purely from a contractual/legal/IP angle rather than ML/technical.)
    - pmoriarty 3y ago
      Is a terms of service considered a contract?
sanxiyn 3y ago
They can terminate your account.
dragonwriter 3y ago
> So what are they going to do about it? If they think they can prove you used it to develop a competing service, sue you for breaking the TOS and recover the greater of the harm it did to their business or the amount of your profits from the service that are due to the uae of GPT-4 in violation of the agreement.
- pmoriarty 3y ago
  Have companies managed to get awarded damages in lawsuits against their customers who merely broke their terms of service? Is there existing case law here?

That escalated quickly.

Great question! I don’t know the end game there. Maybe if they suspected their model was used they would sue, and in discovery find you used their model for training?

visarga 3y ago
Maybe we don't need to worry, OpenLLaMA is under training right now. It will be the commercial version of LLaMA. > Update 05/22/2023 > We are happy to release our 700B token checkpoint for the OpenLLaMA 7B model and 600B token checkpoint for the 3B model. We’ve also updated the evaluation results. We expect the full 1T token training run to finish at the end of this week. https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama So we could develop on LLaMA for now and switch to OpenLLaMA later.

bottled_poe 3y ago

Nothing until it’s worth their while.

postsantum 3y ago

MS lawyers have a good track record at sending out those scary cease&desist letters

sanxiyn 3y ago
I don't think that works. LLM-generated contents are not copyrightable.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  Breach of contract for violating the TOS agreed to when signinf uo for the service doesn’t depend on copyright.
  - nightski 3y ago
    Right but cease and desist usually relates to intellectual property or copyright matters, typically not TOS violations. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
    - dragonwriter 3y ago
      Cease and desist can be used for any issues where the person or entity issuing the C&D thinks they have a legal right that is being violated and wants to put the violator on notice in the hopes of securing a change in behavior short of legal action.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
  - aix1 3y ago
    What I don't understand - is there anything that would prevent Alice from publishing ChatGPT prompts and outputs for anyone to use, with no T&C attached? Once Alice has done that, is there anything to prevent Bob, who has never agreed to ChatGPT ToS, to use those prompts and outputs to train his own models to compete with OpenAI's? (Purely from a contractual/legal/IP angle rather than ML/technical.)
  - pmoriarty 3y ago
    Is a terms of service considered a contract?

sanxiyn 3y ago

They can terminate your account.

dragonwriter 3y ago

> So what are they going to do about it? If they think they can prove you used it to develop a competing service, sue you for breaking the TOS and recover the greater of the harm it did to their business or the amount of your profits from the service that are due to the uae of GPT-4 in violation of the agreement.

pmoriarty 3y ago
Have companies managed to get awarded damages in lawsuits against their customers who merely broke their terms of service? Is there existing case law here?