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That is against their ToS though if you use your new LLM commercially.
by fallingmeat 3y ago
That is against their ToS though if you use your new LLM commercially.
- pmoriarty 3y agoSo what are they going to do about it?
- jstummbillig 3y agoThat escalated quickly.
- fallingmeat 3y agoGreat question! I don’t know the end game there. Maybe if they suspected their model was used they would sue, and in discovery find you used their model for training?
- visarga 3y agoMaybe we don't need to worry, OpenLLaMA is under training right now. It will be the commercial version of LLaMA. > Update 05/22/2023 > We are happy to release our 700B token checkpoint for the OpenLLaMA 7B model and 600B token checkpoint for the 3B model. We’ve also updated the evaluation results. We expect the full 1T token training run to finish at the end of this week. https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama https://github.com/openlm-research/open_llama So we could develop on LLaMA for now and switch to OpenLLaMA later.
- bottled_poe 3y agoNothing until it’s worth their while.
- postsantum 3y agoMS lawyers have a good track record at sending out those scary cease&desist letters
- sanxiyn 3y agoI don't think that works. LLM-generated contents are not copyrightable.
- dragonwriter 3y agoBreach of contract for violating the TOS agreed to when signinf uo for the service doesn’t depend on copyright.
- nightski 3y agoRight but cease and desist usually relates to intellectual property or copyright matters, typically not TOS violations. Please correct me if I am mistaken.
- dragonwriter 3y agoCease and desist can be used for any issues where the person or entity issuing the C&D thinks they have a legal right that is being violated and wants to put the violator on notice in the hopes of securing a change in behavior short of legal action.
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- aix1 3y agoWhat I don't understand - is there anything that would prevent Alice from publishing ChatGPT prompts and outputs for anyone to use, with no T&C attached? Once Alice has done that, is there anything to prevent Bob, who has never agreed to ChatGPT ToS, to use those prompts and outputs to train his own models to compete with OpenAI's? (Purely from a contractual/legal/IP angle rather than ML/technical.)
- pmoriarty 3y agoIs a terms of service considered a contract?
- sanxiyn 3y agoThey can terminate your account.
- dragonwriter 3y ago> So what are they going to do about it? If they think they can prove you used it to develop a competing service, sue you for breaking the TOS and recover the greater of the harm it did to their business or the amount of your profits from the service that are due to the uae of GPT-4 in violation of the agreement.
- pmoriarty 3y agoHave companies managed to get awarded damages in lawsuits against their customers who merely broke their terms of service? Is there existing case law here?
- artembugara 3y agoAs far as I remember, I fully own all the right to the output of OpenAI (for example).
- dingledork69 3y agoI wonder how they reconcile naming themselves "Open"AI, telling people that generated works can be used however they please, except for training a potential competitor.
- vlovich123 3y agoAnd yet they trained theirs on commercial content on the internet. If that’s legal I doubt their argument holds up in court right?
- sanxiyn 3y agoOf course it will hold up in court, it's their service and their terms of service.
- dragonwriter 3y agoThey trained on publicly-available (no signup with TOS agreement) data, on the theory that training is fair use. You signed up and agreed to their TOS to use GPT-4. The legal situations are not similar. OTOH, lots of people are openly using GPT-4 in one way or another to develop models, though they might generally be at arm’s length from people intending to sell services.
- flangola7 3y ago> They trained on publicly-available (no signup with TOS agreement) data, on the theory that training is fair use. They openly state they used thousands of books from a pirate site as a training source. Go look up the datasets listed in the GPT-3 paper.
- snovv_crash 3y agoSo set up a shell company that uses GPT4 to make public domain examples of what RLHF data would look like, and then the parent company takes that data afterwards since it's public domain. Shell company didn't break TOS.
- ramesh1994 3y agoIt prohibits anything that competes with OpenAI services i.e as long as you're not literally providing an LLM API commercially you should be fine
- bagels 3y agoDoes it compete with them if you stop paying for their API?
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