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The optics of that are absolutely awful. It does not matter how good of an idea it might or might not be. It simply cannot happen.

jojobas 3y ago
There's no good optics possible about your relative's personality dissolving into nothingness, his confused body wandering about.
- Blackthorn 3y ago
  Yeah, but adding something that millions of people remember as a way to catalog and systematically murder them isn't helping the situation.
  - simoncion 3y ago
    And many, many more millions of people are somewhere between "neutral towards" and "I have absolutely no problem with" tattoos. And if you explain to the ones that -personally- do have a problem with it why you want to tattoo an ID on them, and explain it near the start of the process where their mind is eaten away, so they have a solid chance to understand what you're saying, there's a high likelihood that those folks would consent to the process... especially those who've personally interacted at length with someone who's been largely-erased by dementia.
    - Blackthorn 3y ago
      No offense but have you ever talked with holocaust survivors? These folks often won't even interact with government services that require identification.
      - willcipriano 3y ago
        Sounds like it won't work for them. Further I think you can't be buried in a Jewish cemetery with tattoos. It will work for lots of other people though.
      - jojobas 3y ago
        Holocaust survivors are a infinitesimal minority among elderly people, it's pretty much a non-consideration. There are probably more people with tattoo dye allergy if you want to go down that alley.
        LorenPechtel 3y ago
        Amazingly, I find there were 161 thousand in Israel as of last year. I would have thought age would have taken a lot more of them by now--but with an average age of 85.5 they're dropping rapidly. I do agree it's not an issue overall, whatever you do won't cover everyone anyway and any large-scale system takes a while to deploy--there will be a lot less by the time it's ready to use.
emmelaich 3y ago
Would a dementia village[0] be better? Both feel bad in a way. Hogeweyk is a bit Truman show. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogeweyk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogeweyk
- gs17 3y ago
  That sounds much better, outside of cost (and that it probably doesn't scale so amazingly).

jojobas 3y ago

There's no good optics possible about your relative's personality dissolving into nothingness, his confused body wandering about.

Blackthorn 3y ago
Yeah, but adding something that millions of people remember as a way to catalog and systematically murder them isn't helping the situation.
- simoncion 3y ago
  And many, many more millions of people are somewhere between "neutral towards" and "I have absolutely no problem with" tattoos. And if you explain to the ones that -personally- do have a problem with it why you want to tattoo an ID on them, and explain it near the start of the process where their mind is eaten away, so they have a solid chance to understand what you're saying, there's a high likelihood that those folks would consent to the process... especially those who've personally interacted at length with someone who's been largely-erased by dementia.
  - Blackthorn 3y ago
    No offense but have you ever talked with holocaust survivors? These folks often won't even interact with government services that require identification.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      Sounds like it won't work for them. Further I think you can't be buried in a Jewish cemetery with tattoos. It will work for lots of other people though.
    - jojobas 3y ago
      Holocaust survivors are a infinitesimal minority among elderly people, it's pretty much a non-consideration. There are probably more people with tattoo dye allergy if you want to go down that alley.
      - LorenPechtel 3y ago
        Amazingly, I find there were 161 thousand in Israel as of last year. I would have thought age would have taken a lot more of them by now--but with an average age of 85.5 they're dropping rapidly. I do agree it's not an issue overall, whatever you do won't cover everyone anyway and any large-scale system takes a while to deploy--there will be a lot less by the time it's ready to use.

emmelaich 3y ago

Would a dementia village[0] be better? Both feel bad in a way. Hogeweyk is a bit Truman show. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogeweyk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogeweyk

gs17 3y ago
That sounds much better, outside of cost (and that it probably doesn't scale so amazingly).