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And those "downed" missiles somehow cause a "minor" damage to the Patriot battery doing it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36057675#36065364 https://news

by fuoqi 3y ago

And those "downed" missiles somehow cause a "minor" damage to the Patriot battery doing it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36057675#36065364 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36057675#36065364

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> those "downed" missiles somehow cause a "minor" damage to the Patriot battery doing it Thirty missiles were fired, twenty nine intercepted [1]. Sustaining minor, i.e. quickly repaired, damage after a 97% interception rate against a supposedly technologically advanced adversary is pretty damn good. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/falling-debris-causes-fires-two-kyiv-sites-officials-2023-05-18/#:~:text=May%2018%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20Ukraine,Ukrainian%20military%20said%20on%20Thursday https://www.reuters.com/world/falling-debris-causes-fires-tw....
- fuoqi 3y ago
  For some reason, you forget the usual disclaimer "Ukraine says" and instead state it as a fact. It's hard to take them at face value similarly to their Russian counterparts. Also the "minor" claim is also maid by an interested party. If it was just a paint job, I think they would've preferred to simply stay silent on the matter. With available objective data we know that two explosions have happened on the ground level and that 2 launched Patriot missiles have failed, which is a fairly high value.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
    > we know that two explosions have happened on the ground level Site a source for that please. Do you think that when you "down" a hypersonic missile the debris fall harmlessly to the ground or do they continue moving?
    - fuoqi 3y ago
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      - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
        At this distance I can't even tell that they're explosions, let alone Patriot batteries (there weren't only Patriot systems here). I'm sorry but that is not objective proof of anything.
        fuoqi 3y ago
        >At this distance I can't even tell that they're explosions Sure, it could've been swamp gas from a weather balloon trapped in a thermal pocket, which has reflected the light from Venus.
        omniglottal 3y ago
        Or perhaps the corroberated evidence is valid and you're simply wasting people's time with unqualified and unbased doubts.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > you forget the usual disclaimer "Ukraine says" and instead state it as a fact It’s been corroborated by the U.S. and allies [1]. The Kremlin hasn’t disputed the charge. (The U.S. also said a PATRIOT battery was damaged while Kyiv claimed no such thing. As others have speculated, this was probably a radar unit that was targeted and damaged.) [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/patriot-kill-shot-impressive-russian-kinzhal-hypersonic-ballistic-missile-experts-2023-5?amp https://www.businessinsider.com/patriot-kill-shot-impressive...
karp773 3y ago
If the battery was knocked out, why did not Russia follow up with more Kinzhals to build on that success asap?
- omniglottal 3y ago
  30 of various missiles were sent. 30 were taken out. The debris of one (still following its trajectory) hit a Patriot radar - it was repaired in <24hr. Seems pretty straightforward.

by fuoqi 3y ago

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> those "downed" missiles somehow cause a "minor" damage to the Patriot battery doing it Thirty missiles were fired, twenty nine intercepted [1]. Sustaining minor, i.e. quickly repaired, damage after a 97% interception rate against a supposedly technologically advanced adversary is pretty damn good. [1] https://www.reuters.com/world/falling-debris-causes-fires-two-kyiv-sites-officials-2023-05-18/#:~:text=May%2018%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20Ukraine,Ukrainian%20military%20said%20on%20Thursday https://www.reuters.com/world/falling-debris-causes-fires-tw....

fuoqi 3y ago
For some reason, you forget the usual disclaimer "Ukraine says" and instead state it as a fact. It's hard to take them at face value similarly to their Russian counterparts. Also the "minor" claim is also maid by an interested party. If it was just a paint job, I think they would've preferred to simply stay silent on the matter. With available objective data we know that two explosions have happened on the ground level and that 2 launched Patriot missiles have failed, which is a fairly high value.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
  > we know that two explosions have happened on the ground level Site a source for that please. Do you think that when you "down" a hypersonic missile the debris fall harmlessly to the ground or do they continue moving?
  - fuoqi 3y ago
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    - 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y ago
      At this distance I can't even tell that they're explosions, let alone Patriot batteries (there weren't only Patriot systems here). I'm sorry but that is not objective proof of anything.
      - fuoqi 3y ago
        >At this distance I can't even tell that they're explosions Sure, it could've been swamp gas from a weather balloon trapped in a thermal pocket, which has reflected the light from Venus.
        omniglottal 3y ago
        Or perhaps the corroberated evidence is valid and you're simply wasting people's time with unqualified and unbased doubts.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > you forget the usual disclaimer "Ukraine says" and instead state it as a fact It’s been corroborated by the U.S. and allies [1]. The Kremlin hasn’t disputed the charge. (The U.S. also said a PATRIOT battery was damaged while Kyiv claimed no such thing. As others have speculated, this was probably a radar unit that was targeted and damaged.) [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/patriot-kill-shot-impressive-russian-kinzhal-hypersonic-ballistic-missile-experts-2023-5?amp https://www.businessinsider.com/patriot-kill-shot-impressive...

karp773 3y ago

If the battery was knocked out, why did not Russia follow up with more Kinzhals to build on that success asap?

omniglottal 3y ago
30 of various missiles were sent. 30 were taken out. The debris of one (still following its trajectory) hit a Patriot radar - it was repaired in <24hr. Seems pretty straightforward.