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So instead of solving problems, they move the problems somewhere else. That seems like not a good solution? You can't just make the whole world a business impro

So instead of solving problems, they move the problems somewhere else. That seems like not a good solution? You can't just make the whole world a business improvement district.

alephnerd 3y ago
Agreed, but it shows where the issue lies - with the City and County of San Francisco. And honestly, looking at how Rincon Hill and Mission Bay both privatized their operations and keep the neighborhoods extremely clean and safe, I am starting to feel privatization is the only short term solution that might help, no matter how unsavory it is.
- wayne-li2 3y ago
  Do you have more info on how Mission Bay privatized their services? I live there and AFAIK I don’t pay anything extra for living in that neighborhood. Is it baked into my (high) rent and apartments pay out?
  - alephnerd 3y ago
    I live there as well now. > Is it baked into my (high) rent and apartments pay out? Yep! The parks, the library, the sprout social, and all the public areas are a mixed ownership between the City, the landlords (UDR, Avalon, etc), UCSF, the State of California, and Union Pacific. Also, because a decent portion of Mission Bay is owned by UCSF and Union Pacific, CHP and DoT can technically lay state and federal charges overriding local government - which is why the very few homeless you see in Mission Bay squat around the library and the community center (it's definitively City of SF land).
    - wayne-li2 3y ago
      That’s really cool! Thanks for sharing. Living here definitely is a bubble, and in a good way. I feel 99% safe walking my dog late at night, and I’m generally not on edge here. And I’m still able to enjoy everything SF offers.
      - alephnerd 3y ago
        Agreed! I lived and help organize in Lower Nob Hill for several years, and it was a nice experience, but Mission Bay just has a better ambiance and quality of life (assuming you can afford it). I know some people hate on it for being quiet, but it's only like 10-15 minutes away from other bustling parts of town like North Beach, Chinatown, Mission, etc via public transit or Uber - so honestly idk why people hate on it. I guess it's those 90s rage against the machine types.

So instead of solving problems, they move the problems somewhere else. That seems like not a good solution? You can't just make the whole world a business improvement district.

alephnerd 3y ago

Agreed, but it shows where the issue lies - with the City and County of San Francisco. And honestly, looking at how Rincon Hill and Mission Bay both privatized their operations and keep the neighborhoods extremely clean and safe, I am starting to feel privatization is the only short term solution that might help, no matter how unsavory it is.

wayne-li2 3y ago
Do you have more info on how Mission Bay privatized their services? I live there and AFAIK I don’t pay anything extra for living in that neighborhood. Is it baked into my (high) rent and apartments pay out?
- alephnerd 3y ago
  I live there as well now. > Is it baked into my (high) rent and apartments pay out? Yep! The parks, the library, the sprout social, and all the public areas are a mixed ownership between the City, the landlords (UDR, Avalon, etc), UCSF, the State of California, and Union Pacific. Also, because a decent portion of Mission Bay is owned by UCSF and Union Pacific, CHP and DoT can technically lay state and federal charges overriding local government - which is why the very few homeless you see in Mission Bay squat around the library and the community center (it's definitively City of SF land).
  - wayne-li2 3y ago
    That’s really cool! Thanks for sharing. Living here definitely is a bubble, and in a good way. I feel 99% safe walking my dog late at night, and I’m generally not on edge here. And I’m still able to enjoy everything SF offers.
    - alephnerd 3y ago
      Agreed! I lived and help organize in Lower Nob Hill for several years, and it was a nice experience, but Mission Bay just has a better ambiance and quality of life (assuming you can afford it). I know some people hate on it for being quiet, but it's only like 10-15 minutes away from other bustling parts of town like North Beach, Chinatown, Mission, etc via public transit or Uber - so honestly idk why people hate on it. I guess it's those 90s rage against the machine types.