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Way to denigrate a group of 1.2 billion people based on the actions of a minority. Would you generalize all jews for the actions of israel towards muslims? All

Way to denigrate a group of 1.2 billion people based on the actions of a minority. Would you generalize all jews for the actions of israel towards muslims? All christians by the actions of Westboro Baptist Church? Chinese by the actions of the CCP? People are free to believe whatever they want and it doesn't need to fit your worldview. You're welcome to disagree, and try to change their mind if you care to but speaking that way seems to only perpetuate hate.

tomr75 3y ago
is just joke why be mad
pmarreck 3y ago
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2018-05-17/ty-article/islam-and-homosexuality-what-does-the-koran-say/0000017f-db97-db22-a17f-ffb763870000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2018-05-17/ty-artic... > Islamic scholars overwhelmingly teach that same-gender sex is a sin. It is this fundamental belief that permits extremists to act. If you are uncomfortable with that simple fact, that’s your problem, because the fact of the matter is that if the holy book taught acceptance of all consensual sexualities, anyone defying that would be the “extremist” So who exactly is perpetuating hate, again? Incidentally this also applies to every Abrahamic faith except perhaps Judaism, which in practice at least is not homophobic. I don’t mean to single out Muslims, here; this is a problem with many Abrahamic cults such as the hundreds of Christian sects, as well as Roman Catholicism, which is at least slightly more progressive in practice. > Would you generalize all jews for the actions of israel towards muslims? There are hundreds of examples online of Muslim leaders speaking in front of hundreds of the faithful, calling for the death of all Jews. I implore you to find them, and then to search for a number greater than zero of Israeli or Jewish leaders calling for the death of all Muslims. These are not remotely the same. Israelis and Jews are secular and in fact often atheist; Muslims, like Christians, largely do not encourage debate and tolerance and preach what their book says above all reason or enlightened ethics
- valianteffort 3y ago
  > There are hundreds of examples online of Muslim leaders speaking in front of hundreds of the faithful, calling for the death of all Jews. And there are thousands of instances of israelis (jews) killing innocent muslims in a land they stole. When Russia stole land from Ukraine by claiming it always belonged to them, which side were you supporting? The quran says a lot, and it's unreasonable to assume every muslim agrees with everything it says; same goes for any other group. > Muslims, like Christians, largely do not encourage debate Haha! Sounds like you've never been around two muslims at the same time. Muslims have been debating interpretation of everything since inception. > I implore you to find them, and then to search for a number greater than zero of Israeli or Jewish leaders calling for the death of all Muslims. AIPAC does almost nothing but lobby the US to enter war on their behalf, and it's almost exclusively against muslims. I have certainly seen videos of jewish scholars calling all non-jews cattle, and saying they exist purely to serve jews. This stuff is in the talmud so, you're kind of proving that you were singling out muslims. Atrocities committed by jews or israel just don't get the same media attention as those by muslims or christian radicalist.
  - pmarreck 3y ago
    > And there are thousands of instances of israelis (jews) killing innocent muslims in a land they stole I can play this game too. There are literally millions of Jews who were killed by asshole anti-Semites throughout human history, not just in the 20th century! The fact that they "stole" a homeland where they could at least be left in peace instead of being endlessly persecuted is thus a mercy that every other humans accepts by default. And in fact, there was no stolen land at all. Israel's land was bought, assigned by the UN, or acquired in defensive war. The "stolen land" meme is bullshit propaganda. The image of weeping Arab natives being driven out of their home and off their land by greedy merciless Jewish invaders is a very powerful antisemitic image. Thank God that image is totally false! Has Israel used draconian laws to seize further territories from some Palestinians? Possibly. Was there a safety motivation there, given how many unguided missiles Palestinians keep launching at Israel from their territories? Yep. > When Russia stole land from Ukraine by claiming it always belonged to them, which side were you supporting? Ukraine, because Russia was the aggressor. Given a state of peace prior, the aggressor is always wrong. Tell me, who is the most obvious aggressor in this photo? https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2021/05/17/iron-dome-intercepts-drone-during-combat-for-first-time-says-israeli-military/ https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2021/05/17/iron-dome-in... Why does Palestine keep buying fucking missiles instead of infrastructure for its own people to lift themselves out of poverty?? > AIPAC does almost nothing but lobby the US to enter war on their behalf, and it's almost exclusively against muslims Maybe if the leaderships of Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, etc. weren't such theocratic conservative assholes, that wouldn't be the case? > I have certainly seen videos of jewish scholars calling all non-jews cattle oh my goodness, you're right! Anti-Muslim bias certainly justifies total eradication of all Jews! /eyeroll > Atrocities committed by jews or israel just don't get the same media attention as those by muslims or christian radicalist. Maybe that's because there's far more (and more dangerous) Muslims in the world than there are either Jews or radical Christians? Ah, go ahead and downvote without counterarguing. That's always the hallmark of a cultist.
atentaten 3y ago
The poster was simply saying how old wisdom may get incorporated into a religious practice. The hypothesis being that the posture in Islamic prayer may have been part of something secular, yet helpful before it got incorporated into the religion. No one is being denigrated. Update: I missed that last sentence, so It's understandable why you would see denigration.
- FrustratedMonky 3y ago
  Yeah, I suppose the main point, about religion incorporating real wisdom, like meditation, or not eating pork (parasites), was subtracted from by the last sentence. I agree. I think there is something to look at here. What if Muslims, through bending over for prayer, did have less gastric distress/acid reflux. That would be interesting to see with this study.
FrustratedMonky 3y ago
All Abrahamic would be included, grouped. It can't be denied that modern US 'Christians' are pretty anti-gay, and not opposed to 'beating them up a bit'. It wouldn't take much of a shove to turn a US 'Guns and God' Christian, to be a mirror image of a Taliban.

tomr75 3y ago

is just joke why be mad

pmarreck 3y ago

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2018-05-17/ty-article/islam-and-homosexuality-what-does-the-koran-say/0000017f-db97-db22-a17f-ffb763870000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/2018-05-17/ty-artic... > Islamic scholars overwhelmingly teach that same-gender sex is a sin. It is this fundamental belief that permits extremists to act. If you are uncomfortable with that simple fact, that’s your problem, because the fact of the matter is that if the holy book taught acceptance of all consensual sexualities, anyone defying that would be the “extremist” So who exactly is perpetuating hate, again? Incidentally this also applies to every Abrahamic faith except perhaps Judaism, which in practice at least is not homophobic. I don’t mean to single out Muslims, here; this is a problem with many Abrahamic cults such as the hundreds of Christian sects, as well as Roman Catholicism, which is at least slightly more progressive in practice. > Would you generalize all jews for the actions of israel towards muslims? There are hundreds of examples online of Muslim leaders speaking in front of hundreds of the faithful, calling for the death of all Jews. I implore you to find them, and then to search for a number greater than zero of Israeli or Jewish leaders calling for the death of all Muslims. These are not remotely the same. Israelis and Jews are secular and in fact often atheist; Muslims, like Christians, largely do not encourage debate and tolerance and preach what their book says above all reason or enlightened ethics

valianteffort 3y ago
> There are hundreds of examples online of Muslim leaders speaking in front of hundreds of the faithful, calling for the death of all Jews. And there are thousands of instances of israelis (jews) killing innocent muslims in a land they stole. When Russia stole land from Ukraine by claiming it always belonged to them, which side were you supporting? The quran says a lot, and it's unreasonable to assume every muslim agrees with everything it says; same goes for any other group. > Muslims, like Christians, largely do not encourage debate Haha! Sounds like you've never been around two muslims at the same time. Muslims have been debating interpretation of everything since inception. > I implore you to find them, and then to search for a number greater than zero of Israeli or Jewish leaders calling for the death of all Muslims. AIPAC does almost nothing but lobby the US to enter war on their behalf, and it's almost exclusively against muslims. I have certainly seen videos of jewish scholars calling all non-jews cattle, and saying they exist purely to serve jews. This stuff is in the talmud so, you're kind of proving that you were singling out muslims. Atrocities committed by jews or israel just don't get the same media attention as those by muslims or christian radicalist.
- pmarreck 3y ago
  > And there are thousands of instances of israelis (jews) killing innocent muslims in a land they stole I can play this game too. There are literally millions of Jews who were killed by asshole anti-Semites throughout human history, not just in the 20th century! The fact that they "stole" a homeland where they could at least be left in peace instead of being endlessly persecuted is thus a mercy that every other humans accepts by default. And in fact, there was no stolen land at all. Israel's land was bought, assigned by the UN, or acquired in defensive war. The "stolen land" meme is bullshit propaganda. The image of weeping Arab natives being driven out of their home and off their land by greedy merciless Jewish invaders is a very powerful antisemitic image. Thank God that image is totally false! Has Israel used draconian laws to seize further territories from some Palestinians? Possibly. Was there a safety motivation there, given how many unguided missiles Palestinians keep launching at Israel from their territories? Yep. > When Russia stole land from Ukraine by claiming it always belonged to them, which side were you supporting? Ukraine, because Russia was the aggressor. Given a state of peace prior, the aggressor is always wrong. Tell me, who is the most obvious aggressor in this photo? https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2021/05/17/iron-dome-intercepts-drone-during-combat-for-first-time-says-israeli-military/ https://www.defensenews.com/unmanned/2021/05/17/iron-dome-in... Why does Palestine keep buying fucking missiles instead of infrastructure for its own people to lift themselves out of poverty?? > AIPAC does almost nothing but lobby the US to enter war on their behalf, and it's almost exclusively against muslims Maybe if the leaderships of Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, etc. weren't such theocratic conservative assholes, that wouldn't be the case? > I have certainly seen videos of jewish scholars calling all non-jews cattle oh my goodness, you're right! Anti-Muslim bias certainly justifies total eradication of all Jews! /eyeroll > Atrocities committed by jews or israel just don't get the same media attention as those by muslims or christian radicalist. Maybe that's because there's far more (and more dangerous) Muslims in the world than there are either Jews or radical Christians? Ah, go ahead and downvote without counterarguing. That's always the hallmark of a cultist.

atentaten 3y ago

The poster was simply saying how old wisdom may get incorporated into a religious practice. The hypothesis being that the posture in Islamic prayer may have been part of something secular, yet helpful before it got incorporated into the religion. No one is being denigrated. Update: I missed that last sentence, so It's understandable why you would see denigration.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago
Yeah, I suppose the main point, about religion incorporating real wisdom, like meditation, or not eating pork (parasites), was subtracted from by the last sentence. I agree. I think there is something to look at here. What if Muslims, through bending over for prayer, did have less gastric distress/acid reflux. That would be interesting to see with this study.

FrustratedMonky 3y ago

All Abrahamic would be included, grouped. It can't be denied that modern US 'Christians' are pretty anti-gay, and not opposed to 'beating them up a bit'. It wouldn't take much of a shove to turn a US 'Guns and God' Christian, to be a mirror image of a Taliban.