3 ms·

In 2010 we needed to act "before 2020" which seemed like plenty of time. I'm convinced we already have met the "tipping point". No one wants to say that though

In 2010 we needed to act "before 2020" which seemed like plenty of time. I'm convinced we already have met the "tipping point". No one wants to say that though because it would be either admitting climate change is real, or admitting defeat.

simmerup 3y ago
There's plenty of billionaires creating bugout fortresses with private security contractors to keep them safe. For the elites maybe success means something different to us.
- cduzz 3y ago
  I'm not sure why they think they'd be safe with such a thing. A billionaire is only a billionaire if there's a society to be richer than 99.9999% of everyone else. If wealth is measured by how much ammo you've got, your bank account or the fact that you have lawyers on retainer won't mean much.
  - vkou 3y ago
    The wealthy have over the past few thousands of years figured out that they can pay half the poor to keep the other half in line. Despotism is the norm, not the exception in human societies. A brief blip of liberal democracy has only been made possible by a surplus of resources created by industrialization. If that surplus disappears, or gets fully siphoned up by the elites, we'll be right back to times of feudal lords, their knight-enforcers, and everyone else.
    - forgetfreeman 3y ago
      ^ Depressingly accurate.
    - maxerickson 3y ago
      Yeah, but what are they paying the security force in after the apocalypse? More or less, in comfort. Guess what lots of people that are getting paid in comfort are gonna do? They are gonna try to take control.
- brtkdotse 3y ago
  > There's plenty of billionaires creating bugout fortresses with private security contractors to keep them safe. Being locked in a fortress with a few dozen armed men who’s loyalty depends on “currency in a bank” having any value doesn’t seem very safe to me. But what do I know, I’m not a billionaire.
  - simmerup 3y ago
    Yeah. The article I read had strategies for this, like becoming friends with your security detail. But I don't doubt the actual result will end up like the Don't look Up satire
- forgetfreeman 3y ago
  Without exception all the folks that are going in on that particular grift are ignoring 3 really critical facts: 1. Segments of the local population are armed as well or better than their security contractors and outnumber them thousands to one. 2. None of the locals are confused about where the canned goods are being hoarded. 3. Heavy equipment is both ubiquitous worldwide and shockingly simple to operate effectively.
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    Don't forget that all of the canned goods don't mean shit if there isn't a way to reboot society. Tins of beans in fallout shelters are there to get you though the worst 30 days, and then rebuild. If there is global ecological collapse, who cares if you're stocked for 2 years? Unless you've got a lot of farm gear, tooled for future environs, and lots of people to use them, then you're only promising yourself a slow death later.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  Who? Where? I've heard this a bunch and even seen a article -- "ultra wealthy creating climate change bunkers" but never heard any specifics. No one named companies building them, or where they are except some nebulous reference to New Zealand. The whole thing reeks of "can't be proved, must be true" FUD clickbate.
  - runarberg 3y ago
    Yes it is a hyperbole. Billionaires aren’t literally buying bunkers and armed guards. They are however buying superyachts, private jets, acres of remote property with private airstrips, fenced mansions in heavily policed areas (including inside many dictatorships), etc. These together function as a bunker with armed guards to protect them against the effects of climate change. When it is too smokey in Claifornia where one of your mansion is, simply fly your private jet to Kamchatka where you last parked your superyacht. Or if it is also smokey in Kamchatka, you have a smaller yacht parked in Patagonia. Are you in Florida and another hurricane is on its way? Notify your private chefs in Egypt about your plans to stay in your palace over there for the next 3 weeks.
- juve1996 3y ago
  I'd rather be dead anyway than live in that world compared to the one I live in now.

simmerup 3y ago

There's plenty of billionaires creating bugout fortresses with private security contractors to keep them safe. For the elites maybe success means something different to us.

cduzz 3y ago
I'm not sure why they think they'd be safe with such a thing. A billionaire is only a billionaire if there's a society to be richer than 99.9999% of everyone else. If wealth is measured by how much ammo you've got, your bank account or the fact that you have lawyers on retainer won't mean much.
- vkou 3y ago
  The wealthy have over the past few thousands of years figured out that they can pay half the poor to keep the other half in line. Despotism is the norm, not the exception in human societies. A brief blip of liberal democracy has only been made possible by a surplus of resources created by industrialization. If that surplus disappears, or gets fully siphoned up by the elites, we'll be right back to times of feudal lords, their knight-enforcers, and everyone else.
  - forgetfreeman 3y ago
    ^ Depressingly accurate.
  - maxerickson 3y ago
    Yeah, but what are they paying the security force in after the apocalypse? More or less, in comfort. Guess what lots of people that are getting paid in comfort are gonna do? They are gonna try to take control.
brtkdotse 3y ago
> There's plenty of billionaires creating bugout fortresses with private security contractors to keep them safe. Being locked in a fortress with a few dozen armed men who’s loyalty depends on “currency in a bank” having any value doesn’t seem very safe to me. But what do I know, I’m not a billionaire.
- simmerup 3y ago
  Yeah. The article I read had strategies for this, like becoming friends with your security detail. But I don't doubt the actual result will end up like the Don't look Up satire
forgetfreeman 3y ago
Without exception all the folks that are going in on that particular grift are ignoring 3 really critical facts: 1. Segments of the local population are armed as well or better than their security contractors and outnumber them thousands to one. 2. None of the locals are confused about where the canned goods are being hoarded. 3. Heavy equipment is both ubiquitous worldwide and shockingly simple to operate effectively.
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  Don't forget that all of the canned goods don't mean shit if there isn't a way to reboot society. Tins of beans in fallout shelters are there to get you though the worst 30 days, and then rebuild. If there is global ecological collapse, who cares if you're stocked for 2 years? Unless you've got a lot of farm gear, tooled for future environs, and lots of people to use them, then you're only promising yourself a slow death later.
red-iron-pine 3y ago
Who? Where? I've heard this a bunch and even seen a article -- "ultra wealthy creating climate change bunkers" but never heard any specifics. No one named companies building them, or where they are except some nebulous reference to New Zealand. The whole thing reeks of "can't be proved, must be true" FUD clickbate.
- runarberg 3y ago
  Yes it is a hyperbole. Billionaires aren’t literally buying bunkers and armed guards. They are however buying superyachts, private jets, acres of remote property with private airstrips, fenced mansions in heavily policed areas (including inside many dictatorships), etc. These together function as a bunker with armed guards to protect them against the effects of climate change. When it is too smokey in Claifornia where one of your mansion is, simply fly your private jet to Kamchatka where you last parked your superyacht. Or if it is also smokey in Kamchatka, you have a smaller yacht parked in Patagonia. Are you in Florida and another hurricane is on its way? Notify your private chefs in Egypt about your plans to stay in your palace over there for the next 3 weeks.
juve1996 3y ago
I'd rather be dead anyway than live in that world compared to the one I live in now.