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Don't fall for it: it's a marketing move, and no short-haul flights are actually banned. The law says that whenever there is a train alternative in the same ci
by rakoo 3y ago
Don't fall for it: it's a marketing move, and no short-haul flights are actually banned.
The law says that whenever there is a train alternative in the same city, and there are enough trains to spend 8 daylight hours and, come back, the plane must cede its place to the train.
Let's take Paris-Bordeaux as an example. Because Paris has two airports (Orly and Roissy, beth not in Paris like everywhere in the world), alternatives in train are not analyzed from Paris but from the train stations at those airports, which absolutely no one uses as departure or arrival, like everywhere in the world.
So the law now sees that Roissy->Bordeaux takes 3h44, which is higher than 2h30, so is still allowed... Even though the actual leg _everyone_ aoes is actually Paris Montparnasse -> Bordeaux, which _is_ less than 2h30. So the planes leaving from Orly are banned (which they already where, thanks to covid) but all planes from Roissy to Bordeaux, ie all the planes, are still allowed.
- BrandoElFollito 3y agoWhat do you mean by "everywhere in the world"? MUC is 30 km away from the city, KRK is in a village next to the city, LHR is within "Greater London", Singapore Airport is 20 km away form the city, separated by a forest, etc. Lisbon's airport is indeed part of the city. So is London City or Gibraltar - but I wild day that they are exceptions. CDG and ORY are reasonably close to Paris to be called Paris airport. BVA is a stretch, it is called Paris-Beauvais but is actually in a different region, 120 km away from Paris. But the Paris Airports site does not refer to it.
- rakoo 3y agoThat's what I mean: it's not in the same city, it's in another one. For historical reasons of course, and it's not necessarily a bad thing, but it has to be taken into account: 30km can take a long time with public transportation, and the very existence of a special shuttle in many places is an additional proof, especially when said shuttle isn't exactly cheap. There are exceptions, and that is good, but it's that: exceptions.
- BrandoElFollito 3y agoNo, they are not exceptions. This is a mix, I have no idea about the percentage but the few ones I checked are in both camps - MUC: outside of the city - KRK: outside of the city - LHR: OK, right at the border of Greater London - OHR: added specifically to Chicago, it was outside before - BVA: outside the city - LTN: outside the city - FRA: inside the city (it is an extension)
- rakoo 3y agoWhat matters is not whether they are inside or outside the city, it's that they are always far away from the center (where people actually want to go) so taking the actual location of the airport isn't a proper way to represent the real travel