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I hoped that "examples in the US" and "in modern times" was implied. I'm still waiting for those examples instead of "Remember the Stasi" and your parting slipp

I hoped that "examples in the US" and "in modern times" was implied. I'm still waiting for those examples instead of "Remember the Stasi" and your parting slippery slope.

mschuster91 3y ago
> I'm still waiting for those examples instead of "Remember the Stasi" and your parting slippery slope. I'm German. Unlike you in the US, we have museums dedicated to the horrors of the NS regime as well as the Stasi and general GDR dictatorship around the country. I can recommend you a visit if you get the chance to visit Germany - there is no argument as convincing as actually seeing eyewitness accounts and evidence of how depraved humans can get.
- EA-3167 3y ago
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  - mschuster91 3y ago
    I answered in a parallel comment.
George83728 3y ago
> I hoped that "examples in the US" and "in modern times" was implied. Something that happened in Germany in the 80s is not exactly a time long ago in a galaxy far away...
- EA-3167 3y ago
  From a modern technological perspective it might as well be, especially when we're talking about East Germany under Soviet occupation.
  - George83728 3y ago
    The lesson you should learn from this is that you don't always get to pick your government.
drewbeck 3y ago
I try to never learn things from other country's experiences, too, or the past in general. These criticism are always invalid until the society in question goes full fascist. Only then can wring our hands and be sad, but until then it's all abstract and not worth worrying about.
- EA-3167 3y ago
  A classic slippery slope argument, free from anything like the burden of pointing to anything real. Where are the examples of this burgeoning techno-fascism? Where are the disappeared? Where is the American version of Zersetzung? Where is the creeping "social credit score" style of monitoring? We've had this tech for a while now, so where are the examples of it being systematically abused by the government?
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  - mschuster91 3y ago
    Have you heard of the No Fly list, with completely innocent people being flagged and finding it out to be almost impossible to get out of that database? Of people being denied entry to the US because CBP thinks they might be sex workers? About the prosecution of (suspected) sex workers in the US in general? About how marijuana was banned to target hippies and anti-war protesters? About how teachers can lose their license for talking about LGBT topics? About widespread dragnet subpoena abuse using Google Maps as data provider?
    - EA-3167 3y ago
      The No Fly List failing spectacularly as a bit of security theater is not a good argument against anything other than overly contrived security theater, and poor database controls. The rest doesn't seem to have much to do with technology, more to do with Florida politics.
      - mschuster91 3y ago

I hoped that "examples in the US" and "in modern times" was implied. I'm still waiting for those examples instead of "Remember the Stasi" and your parting slippery slope.

mschuster91 3y ago

> I'm still waiting for those examples instead of "Remember the Stasi" and your parting slippery slope. I'm German. Unlike you in the US, we have museums dedicated to the horrors of the NS regime as well as the Stasi and general GDR dictatorship around the country. I can recommend you a visit if you get the chance to visit Germany - there is no argument as convincing as actually seeing eyewitness accounts and evidence of how depraved humans can get.

EA-3167 3y ago
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- mschuster91 3y ago
  I answered in a parallel comment.

George83728 3y ago

> I hoped that "examples in the US" and "in modern times" was implied. Something that happened in Germany in the 80s is not exactly a time long ago in a galaxy far away...

EA-3167 3y ago
From a modern technological perspective it might as well be, especially when we're talking about East Germany under Soviet occupation.
- George83728 3y ago
  The lesson you should learn from this is that you don't always get to pick your government.

drewbeck 3y ago

I try to never learn things from other country's experiences, too, or the past in general. These criticism are always invalid until the society in question goes full fascist. Only then can wring our hands and be sad, but until then it's all abstract and not worth worrying about.

EA-3167 3y ago
A classic slippery slope argument, free from anything like the burden of pointing to anything real. Where are the examples of this burgeoning techno-fascism? Where are the disappeared? Where is the American version of Zersetzung? Where is the creeping "social credit score" style of monitoring? We've had this tech for a while now, so where are the examples of it being systematically abused by the government?
- deleted 3y ago
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- mschuster91 3y ago
  Have you heard of the No Fly list, with completely innocent people being flagged and finding it out to be almost impossible to get out of that database? Of people being denied entry to the US because CBP thinks they might be sex workers? About the prosecution of (suspected) sex workers in the US in general? About how marijuana was banned to target hippies and anti-war protesters? About how teachers can lose their license for talking about LGBT topics? About widespread dragnet subpoena abuse using Google Maps as data provider?
  - EA-3167 3y ago
    The No Fly List failing spectacularly as a bit of security theater is not a good argument against anything other than overly contrived security theater, and poor database controls. The rest doesn't seem to have much to do with technology, more to do with Florida politics.
    - mschuster91 3y ago