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It's not clear - does this apply to private planes as well? To cargo flights?

by oatmeal1 3y ago

prottog 3y ago
I've heard elsewhere that it does not apply to private flights.
- George83728 3y ago
  Disappointing, but unsurprising, that politicians are hesitant to inconvenience themselves and their rich friends.
  - BrianHenryIE 3y ago
    Yes, when they introduced aviation fuel tax they similarly didn't inconvenience the rich. > Corporate jets to escape EU’s ‘green’ aviation fuel tax https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/corporate-jets-to-escape-eu-s-green-aviation-fuel-tax-1.4618545 https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/co...
dehrmann 3y ago
I'd be surprised if this is an issue for cargo flights with how expensive air freight is.
some_random 3y ago
I certainly hope it wouldn't apply to private planes, since a very common flight for them is taking off, flying around, and landing back at the same airport.
- happymellon 3y ago
  I don't understand, why would they do that, and why shouldn't we ban them from contributing to global warming for wasting fuel. They are better ways for the ultra rich to blow their cash.
  - Symbiote 3y ago
    Surveying (agriculture, forestry, general land use) is the first example where this would be a reasonable flight.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - lxgr 3y ago
    GA is much more than business aviation (i.e. "private jets"/"ultra rich blowing their cash"). Just to name a few: Aerial photography (including checking for insulation leaks of heat/power co-generation pipelines), calibration flights for aviation infrastructure (ILS, localizers etc), training flights (or would you be fine with a commercial airline pilot to have their first training flight with you in the back?)...
    - George83728 3y ago
      So have they permitted these commercial/industrial flights while banning short-haul passenger flights for wealthy/business? Or are these industrial flights merely being used as cover to justify permitting rich people to fly themselves around short distances while the common man is forbidden? It's not as though legislatures are powerless to distinguish between these. If they haven't, it's because they've chosen not to.
      - lxgr 3y ago
        > It's not as though legislatures are powerless to distinguish between these. If they haven't, it's because they've chosen not to. Or because they've chosen to spend their limited resources on other, higher-impact policy changes first. Private jets account for something like 1% of carbon emissions of aviation. That's not nothing, but making it a top agenda item seems like populism more than anything.
        George83728 3y ago
        > Or because they've chosen to spend their limited resources You mean their limited supply of ink and office paper? Or their... limited political capital to make laws which inconvenience the rich?
slig 3y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sales-likely-to-reach-highest-ever-level-this-year-report-says https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sa...
briantakita 3y ago
Does it apply to military flights? Military aircraft & the logistics to support the aircraft has huge amounts of emissions. The manufacturing & effect of the ordinances they ultimately drop on targets (some of which are civilian) pollute the area as well. Storing Jet Fuel has resulted in pollution of aquifers. There are other means, such as diplomacy, to solve conflicts, btw.

It's not clear - does this apply to private planes as well? To cargo flights?

prottog 3y ago

I've heard elsewhere that it does not apply to private flights.

George83728 3y ago
Disappointing, but unsurprising, that politicians are hesitant to inconvenience themselves and their rich friends.
- BrianHenryIE 3y ago
  Yes, when they introduced aviation fuel tax they similarly didn't inconvenience the rich. > Corporate jets to escape EU’s ‘green’ aviation fuel tax https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/corporate-jets-to-escape-eu-s-green-aviation-fuel-tax-1.4618545 https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/co...

dehrmann 3y ago

I'd be surprised if this is an issue for cargo flights with how expensive air freight is.

some_random 3y ago

I certainly hope it wouldn't apply to private planes, since a very common flight for them is taking off, flying around, and landing back at the same airport.

happymellon 3y ago
I don't understand, why would they do that, and why shouldn't we ban them from contributing to global warming for wasting fuel. They are better ways for the ultra rich to blow their cash.
- Symbiote 3y ago
  Surveying (agriculture, forestry, general land use) is the first example where this would be a reasonable flight.
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- lxgr 3y ago
  GA is much more than business aviation (i.e. "private jets"/"ultra rich blowing their cash"). Just to name a few: Aerial photography (including checking for insulation leaks of heat/power co-generation pipelines), calibration flights for aviation infrastructure (ILS, localizers etc), training flights (or would you be fine with a commercial airline pilot to have their first training flight with you in the back?)...
  - George83728 3y ago
    So have they permitted these commercial/industrial flights while banning short-haul passenger flights for wealthy/business? Or are these industrial flights merely being used as cover to justify permitting rich people to fly themselves around short distances while the common man is forbidden? It's not as though legislatures are powerless to distinguish between these. If they haven't, it's because they've chosen not to.
    - lxgr 3y ago
      > It's not as though legislatures are powerless to distinguish between these. If they haven't, it's because they've chosen not to. Or because they've chosen to spend their limited resources on other, higher-impact policy changes first. Private jets account for something like 1% of carbon emissions of aviation. That's not nothing, but making it a top agenda item seems like populism more than anything.
      - George83728 3y ago
        > Or because they've chosen to spend their limited resources You mean their limited supply of ink and office paper? Or their... limited political capital to make laws which inconvenience the rich?

slig 3y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sales-likely-to-reach-highest-ever-level-this-year-report-says https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/private-jet-sa...

briantakita 3y ago

Does it apply to military flights? Military aircraft & the logistics to support the aircraft has huge amounts of emissions. The manufacturing & effect of the ordinances they ultimately drop on targets (some of which are civilian) pollute the area as well. Storing Jet Fuel has resulted in pollution of aquifers. There are other means, such as diplomacy, to solve conflicts, btw.